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Newly Released Information Regarding RAF Officer, WSOp and NCO ATC Recruitment Watch

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    Why not try one of the other training avenues within the Armed Forces.

    They offer excellent apprenticeships in all avenues from mechanical engineering to dog handling.

    Explore other opportunities. Don't be put off by all the examination criteria. The most important bit is being able to fit in and do the job you're trained to do. Intellect is important but so to is having a good personality.
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    (Original post by Schleigg)
    at least the APO Pilot can legally tell the MACR to get back in his box in any given situation!
    We both know how entertaining that would be.
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    (Original post by ProStacker)
    We both know how entertaining that would be.
    That's why I caveated "legally". :top: Doesn't mean he won't ignore him or go down the back for the fire axe!
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    The APO would be doing very well to be flying with a MACr! The fast-track flying training system.

    However the point made is a very good one.

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    Let me get this right

    Acting Pilot Officer :confused:v Master Aircrew

    I wouldn't put any good money on the former.
    You don't see many of them at a front line station - I did once and almost *******ed him for having two bits of snail trail on his shoulders - oooops

    MACR have been known to have robust discussions with all ranks up to Air Commodore and polite disagreements at all ranks beyond that. I really don't think a wee APO would bother him/her that much!

    Anyway, I'm in agreement with the existing Officer status for Pilot / WSO, other structures may work for the Army, but just cos they do it, doesn't mean it would work for us. Historically it was fine in WW2 due to the urgent requirement to crew aircraft. Subsequently in the Nuclear age, our American cousins insisted that only commissioned Officers had responsibility for pressing the button to release a 'bucket of sunshine'. The requirement for commissioned brethren to take ultimate responsibility for tactics, interpretation of ROE, weapons delivery and most importantly, safety of flight has remained to this day. I'm more than happy for them to keep that responsibility, with my assistance and advice naturally!
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    The teflon coated APO rank slide is designed to be impossible to see and thus sniper proof. They are just worth far too much.

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    Apache is a tactical weapon (albeit a very potent one) used in a limited battlefield context.

    Airpower requires strategic use and management, which is why we have a professional Armed Force that specialises in its operation. Strategic use requires a specialist career progression through operator > trainer > local policy/advisory> wider policy/advisory etc. Otherwise, as suggested, why does any officer branch have a specialisation, why aren't officers generalist managers?
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    Just passed my P2 AFCO filter interview yesterday, recommended for OASC


    Just got to prepare like hell now for OASC, especially aptitude - alot of brain training I think! Passed aptitude last year in December, but I feel I can do better. It apparently peaks around 21 as well, so lets see how true that is!

    Not going to hold my breath, I know its extremely competitive at the moment.


    I was told as well that 15 IOT cadets that are going for Pilot have been given letters telling them they can no longer go for Pilot... Can't imagine how that must feel. Goes to show how hard this will be.

    But as Churchill once said:

    'Success is not final, failure is not fatal - It is the courage to continue that counts'

    Hopefully I will have OASC in January, a colleague of mine here on base is going for NCA and had his interview a week before mine and has OASC on the 16th Jan.
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    Congratualtions Ben can I ask why you were unsuccessful last december?
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    Thank you


    I completed the leadership phase, got binned off there. Said I had potential but lacked self assurance in leading (confidence). So I have gone away this year, taken the debrief points and worked on them through practice (low ropes, MTC exercises.etc). Passed aptitude though, for Pilot and ABM but not ATC interestingly (the number recall test is a big ATC factor).

    But speaking to some people I used to work with that are now in careers, around 70% of serving members get sent back for a year or so. It is all part of the test in case the individual just fancies a change or something. Its quite common from what i've heard. Spoke to a 202sqn pilot who used to be a techie and he was put back six months. Plus serving members have all the time to reapply and try again, a civvie may not be able to do that between jobs.etc



    Reference my earlier post of WSO being a dying branch, it has been for a long time. At work we have a Flt Lt who used to be a WSO, but is now an ABM. Was speaking to the duty officer in the bar in the candidates mess at OASC who is a navigator, he was saying the same thing. Don't know much else about it though, just what i've heard - I don't work on a flying base unfortunately.
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    (Original post by Tommmo)
    This is why I ask! Just trying to gauge how long my hold might be.
    When is your IOT date?

    I'm a bursar, just been offered IOT in July and I too am not looking forward to a year long hold before EFT! I reckon we'll end up having to wait until those who start IOT in 2012 go through the system.
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    You have been offered July 2012?
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    (Original post by Ben5560)
    You have been offered July 2012?
    I should clarify, I've been asked via email from Cranwell to confirm that I can make July 2011 IOT and the associated famil and medical. A few months ago I would have considered this pretty concrete evidence that I'll be on that IOT, but I know that people have been told this late in the game that they don't have a spot.
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    If your a busar then they will have to offer you a place or it seems like a pretty stupid investment does it not?
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    That's interesting Ben my recruitment officer was sent back oasc aswell when trying to acquire comision from being an airman. It's also weird all the pilots (well ones that aren't in training) all went in as airman and worked their way up.

    ARe you more confident on your leadership skills now then?
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    (Original post by craglyboy)
    It's also weird all the pilots (well ones that aren't in training) all went in as airman and worked their way up.
    VERY few people joined as Airmen and become Pilots. I do know one of the very few, but a tiny minority compared to DE.
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    (Original post by ProStacker)
    VERY few people joined as Airmen and become Pilots. I do know one of the very few, but a tiny minority compared to DE.
    Agreed Pro, I don't believe for a second it is a good idea to go into the RAF with that mentality go in as what you want to be don't hope to change once in. What I was merely saying is I know of a number people who did do it not saying it's the norm. Sorry for any confusion
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    Not great news for my afterUni WSOp application then, might have to consider Navy now hmm
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    Do you know the colour sight requirements for fast jet?
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    (Original post by Louis92)
    Do you know the colour sight requirements for fast jet?
    You'll need perfect colour vision.
 
 
 
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