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    LOL women havent invented anything.They havent done anything.
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    I don't think we will ever know the answer :rolleyes:

    On another note, it's quite interesting that once girls start to outperform boys at school there's a big hoohaa but if it was vice versa would anyone be all too bothered?
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    (Original post by goose1990)
    This is genius, can't believe I've never noticed this point. For the first time in my life I'm going to use the word lol. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of the pay gap is to do with sexism but I reckon capitalism doesn't tend to discriminate. I can't wait to use this argument on someone! It's so good....
    Part of the problem is maternity leave.

    My mums company employs 9 people currently. The company is now in trouble, because two of the staff have gone on maternity leave.

    It's less of a consideration for large companies, but for smaller companies hiring women aged 20-40 is a huge risk.
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    Everyone is smarter than the OP.
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    (Original post by goose1990)
    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of the pay gap is to do with sexism but I reckon capitalism doesn't tend to discriminate.

    I think the tendency for capitalism to favour men goes back to the old social stereotypes of women being followers and men being leaders or innovators. I used to work in a department store under a fairly dogmatic female middle manager. When a customer had a problem, she would tell the customer that the rules were the rules and that he wouldn't be getting a refund. When the customer took the complaint over her head to the store manager, he would break the rules and bend over backwards to reach a good conclusion. The store manager was such a nice guy, who would often socialise with the lowest in the company, that you felt proud to be working for him. In my opinion it's managers like that, who are innovative and charismatic, that rise to the top jobs, and you (generally! ) don't see as many women displaying those characteristics.
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    To be blunt; are women smarter on the whole than men? No. Are women smarter in specific things though? Yes. Women tend to be more emotionally and socially intelligent than men, just as men are better at academic and practical things.

    It's to do with brains. There are two sides; one for dealing with things and input-output systems ('systemising'), and one for dealing with people ('empathising'). As one gets bigger the other tends to be smaller. So if you have a good brain for systemising then you'll not be so good at empathising. Men tend to have brains like that. And if you have a good brain for empathising then you'll not be so good at systemising. Women tend to have these brains.

    Of course, the interesting thing is that (1) the size of the two parts fluctuates a lot in people and (2) male brains often end up in female bodies and vice versa. In some people the systemising part is so big the empathising part really suffers, and people with such brains become relentless systemisers but they can't deal with social situations. We call such people autistic and when someone tells you that autism consists in extreme maleness this is what they mean.

    Also very interesting, guys with female brains tend to make more female friends, and vice versa. Now how much is natural and how much is nurtured is not clear but there is a strong correlation between guys who have predominantly female friends being gay, and girls with mostly male friends being lesbian. Therefore, there's good evidence that what kind of brain you have predisposes you towards a sexual orientation. Gay guys tend to be effeminate and tend to have female brains; lesbians tend to be butch and tend to have male brains. This greatly limits the degree to which a person can say they choose to be either straight or gay, since they don't choose their brains.

    That has nothing to do with the question but I just think that's all really interesting and I thought I'd share it.
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    (Original post by goose1990)
    This is genius, can't believe I've never noticed this point. For the first time in my life I'm going to use the word lol. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure some of the pay gap is to do with sexism but I reckon capitalism doesn't tend to discriminate. I can't wait to use this argument on someone! It's so good....
    Simple supply and demand dictates there is no undeserved pay gap between women. Logically, if women are being paid less for the same work that men do then businesses who hire women will gain higher profit margins. This will make all businesses chase women to chase higher profits. This will increase the price of female labour, until it eventually levels off with men's whose work they are supposedly equal to. However, I believe this hasn't happened for numerous reasons:
    -Men work longer hours, and more overtime.
    -Women take maternity leave, a time in which men do not stop working and advance themselves both in terms of qualifications and within the company they work for.
    -Women take more time off sick.
    -Men work in more dangerous environments which deserve higher pay (for instance replacing pylon cables).
    -Men are more likely to relocate themselves and their families to chase a higher pay check.
    -Men are much more likely to work in a risky commission based job, whereas women seem to have a preference for the safer salary type jobs.
    -Men are far more successful at starting businesses that become huge sprawling corporations.

    As horrible as it sounds, if you are a small business that wants a dependable worker who is always on hand then your best bet would be to hire a man.

    Indeed when you compare the pay of single women in their 40s who have no children, with the pay of men in the same bracket, women are paid far more. As well as this, women between the age of 21-30 are also paid more. This is, I believe, the result of them benefiting from various government discrimination in their favour. The pay gap is a complete myth, of course Labour and other feminists have done a good job of making sure any man who suggests so in public is as demonised as possible. To suggest that women have it pretty damn good in this society is rather frowned upon it seems.
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    (Original post by Elipsis)
    Simple supply and demand dictates there is no undeserved pay gap between women. Logically, if women are being paid less for the same work that men do then businesses who hire women will gain higher profit margins. This will make all businesses chase women to chase higher profits. This will increase the price of female labour, until it eventually levels off with men's whose work they are supposedly equal to. However, I believe this hasn't happened for numerous reasons:
    -Men work longer hours, and more overtime.
    -Women take maternity leave, a time in which men do not stop working and advance themselves both in terms of qualifications and within the company they work for.
    -Women take more time off sick.
    -Men work in more dangerous environments which deserve higher pay (for instance replacing pylon cables).
    -Men are more likely to relocate themselves and their families to chase a higher pay check.
    -Men are much more likely to work in a risky commission based job, whereas women seem to have a preference for the safer salary type jobs.
    -Men are far more successful at starting businesses that become huge sprawling corporations.

    As horrible as it sounds, if you are a small business that wants a dependable worker who is always on hand then your best bet would be to hire a man.

    Indeed when you compare the pay of single women in their 40s who have no children, with the pay of men in the same bracket, women are paid far more. As well as this, women between the age of 21-30 are also paid more. This is, I believe, the result of them benefiting from various government discrimination in their favour. The pay gap is a complete myth, of course Labour and other feminists have done a good job of making sure any man who suggests so in public is as demonised as possible. To suggest that women have it pretty damn good in this society is rather frowned upon it seems.
    Would you like to back any of this up with statistics
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    Smartest people on the planet are Male. People who made all the great things we use today including the light bulb and TV etc are Male. The people who govern the World are Male.

    Women are really great Sandwich Artists though, so it's a tough call...
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    Men are smarter. Except in the kitchen.
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    (Original post by kiyoto22)
    women are dum
    Haha funny character...if the dum was intentional, that is.

    Anyway, who knows? Some women are smarter, some aren't.

    'Evidence' to support your argument will not get far as there'll be plenty of other arguments against. It's never definite.
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    (Original post by Tha_Black_Shinobi)
    Would you like to back any of this up with statistics
    They are contained within the book 'Why Men Earn More' by Warren Farrell. One interesting one is that women over 40 who have never married and don't have children earn 13% more than their male counterparts.
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    Women have a different logic to men. We don't understand how orange juice without pulp is really any different, or how if the toilet seat is up the bathroom may as well look like a sewer.

    The old cliche is that men are practically more intelligent, whereas women are more emotionally intelligent. Which is why there is an abundant of men studying sciences at university, whereas it is the opposite for humanities (psychology for e.g.).

    The problem with arguing for one sex being more intelligent over the other will never work, as only 50% of people will agree with you, and the other 50% will defend to their death that they are the smarter sex.
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    If a female and a male were strandered on two seperate identical islands.
    My money would be on the male to survive for the greater period of time.
    Survival = More dominant of the species.
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    I think the question one should ask is why many of the top top scientists are men. I think someone said that of the 543 Nobel Prizes awarded only 30 were to women (and some of those for Peace I guess). On average I don't think anyone can make a judgement saying one gender is smarter. But it really would be interesting to see if women start catching up and getting more Nobel Prizes (using this as a measure of top scientists, which may be flawed so you could look at the male:female ratio of professors at the top unis in each department). I don't think it is fair to say that women had more equal opportunities so they should be getting more of them, the prizes are awarded in some cases years or decades after you did the work, and you probably did the work well into your research career and so were educated at a time when the opportunities were far from equal.
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    Men & women are good at different jobs. It depends really how you define intelligence.
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    (Original post by TKC)
    Is it it me, or is the problem with that essay that it doesn't finish it's own train of thought.

    Boys are underachieving at school, therefore they're lacking the better work ethic of girls. Fair enough. The system wont change, so the suggested solution is to encourage a female attitude by socialisation.

    Women are underachieving at work, therefore there is a patriarchal conspiracy. Wait, what. The suggested solution is that we change the capitalist employment system, somehow, to better suit women. Is it too controversial to suggest that women are lacking the better work ethic of men?
    Yes, fair enough, I hadn't looked at it that way - good point!
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    (Original post by CoffeeStinks)
    I will concentrate mainly on books smarts and cleverness. I realise that this is one of those unanswerable questions but I would like to see where you lean.

    Women

    Between 1901 and 2010, the noble prize has been awarded 543 times. Women have been awarded thirty prizes. One woman has won it twice.
    Does this mean that women are not as smart as men are?

    Men

    Girls achieve significantly more than boys in primary and secondary education.
    Does this mean that boys are not as smart as girls are?

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    There have been studies to suggest that boys are not catered to in the education system due to their need for tactile simulation. Sitting in chairs and listening for an hour and a half is generally easier for girls than boys. Thus, girls are able to absorb more information and get better grades.

    Contrary, it has only been a recent phenomenon for women to dedicate the majority of their lives to work. They are pushed into the fields of being a mother or being a teacher. While men are motivated to work as much as they like to push, forward their work. If a father was to work from 7am to 10pm it is more accepted than a mother working those hours.

    Therefore, the argument about how men are smarter because there are the likes of Newton and Steven hawking around is invalid. I am certain that if women where to put the majority of their lives into science then they would be equal if not smarter than the men.

    In addition, in relationships there is research about how successful and intelligent women have a lower marriage rate compared to their less intelligent peers. Some men seem to feel rather intimidated by intelligent women especially if those women are smarter than they are.

    On the other hand a successful ‘bread winner’ man would have his pick of women because that is what society says is good.
    If people picture successful intelligent women as loners who cannot find a husband then why it isn’t obvious why there are less women Newtons?
    IM guessing youre a woman? No, women are not smarter than men, in fact its probably on the contrary. Think of almost any invention, innovation etc. which has ever occurred, Im thinking Einstein, Eddison etc. almost all have been men. Cant actually think of any women. Its obvious that women develop and mature at a faster rate than boys as they do tend to score higher at school. However, men seem to be more practicla thinkers.

    Ultimately, you cant really compare the two as there are so many different types of intelligence. As someone said earlier, it hs been shown that there are more women in the middle of the spectrum, i.e average intelligence and there are more smarter/dumber men than women so its seems equal.
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    Men statistically have a larger brain than women, by about 5%. This is to incorporate all the motor functions required for having a slightly larger body mass, as men are around (you guessed it) 5% larger than women on average.

    However, IQ is not an accurate measure of brain size, but an accurate measure of how many fold you have in your brain. A man could for argument's sake have a brain twice the size of a woman's, but if the woman has more folds, she will be more intelligent.

    A man's larger brain allows the possibility of greater intelligence than a woman's, but on an average, I'd wager they're about the same.
 
 
 
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