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    (Original post by Renner)
    The middle classes outnumber both of them combined yet are all to often ignored by the traditional left
    And are currently being **** on by the coalition.

    Also, you have to remember peoples roots. The Thatcher years nearly killed the area where I am from. Because of that I will never ever vote Tory. And I think the lib dems voting for the fee increase will make a lot of students feel the same way about them. Its not just what people are now, its what they are from and what their families are from. Even though the middle classes are often ignored by the left, an awful lot of the middle classes come from working class backgrounds.
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    (Original post by Greenlaner)
    Anyone else find it somewhat bewildering how the residents of ****holes continually vote for Labour in the hopes that they will improve the area, when quite obviously the vast majority of these ****holes continue to be ****holes when Labour are in control of them? Got to hand it to you Labour supporters, your faith in politics is absolutely astonishing.
    Most of them have declined further.
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    Thatcher destroyed parts of Northern England. That ***** is responsible for large parts of the 'social breakdown' and 'welfare culture' that the ***** in the Tory party like to pin on people from the North.

    Go to old mining towns in South Yorkshire, or Nottinghamshire - and ask why they don't support the Conservative party.

    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    an awful lot of the middle classes come from working class backgrounds.
    Very true, although I am without a doubt 'middle class' - my mums family are without a doubt not middle class. I have family members who live in areas decimated by things like the pit closures - and the 'we don't give a ****' attitude from Whitehall in the Thatcher years. I would never vote for a party that considers themselves 'Thatcher's children'.
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    I wonder what would happen if you put Margaret Thatcher and Teveth in a room and locked the door...
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      Because only **** people vote for Labour.
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      You have to remember that although unemployment etc rose under the Conservatives in the 90's it was the middle of a recession.

      Labour governed for what proved to be a massive boom, and were still running the country with a rising deficit. If you can't run without a deficit in a boom period when can you?

      True Labour (arguably) did lots to improve the NHS and Schools etc, but any idiot could by throwing **** loads of money at the situation. It's a lot harder to govern a country when you're not just spending money we don't have.

      I don't agree with a lot of Conservative policies but I commend them for at least trying to get this countries debt under control.
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      (Original post by WelshBluebird)
      And are currently being **** on by the coalition.
      I know, I blame the Liberals first and foremost but Cameron himself is facing revolt in the party if he keeps shatting on Middle England

      Also, you have to remember peoples roots. The Thatcher years nearly killed the area where I am from. Because of that I will never ever vote Tory. And I think the lib dems voting for the fee increase will make a lot of students feel the same way about them. Its not just what people are now, its what they are from and what their families are from. Even though the middle classes are often ignored by the left, an awful lot of the middle classes come from working class backgrounds.
      There only middle class now because of Thatcherite policy, the most rabid Thatcherites weren’t the traditional rich but the new middle classes.
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      (Original post by Teveth)
      Errr... the lives of the poor improved tremendously under Labour after the party ended 18 years of Tory misery. New schools were built, the NHS improved drastically, the minimum wage was introduced, museums were opened up for free of charge, pensions rose, child tax credits were introduced, and much more. The lives of the working poor were transformed. You have no idea what Thatcher did to them.

      Labour tend to win in poorer areas because we are the only party that sticks up for lower income people and because Tory votes mostly come from disgusting, selfish morons who vote for them in order to preserve their wealth, and obviously these people exist in lower numbers in the poorer areas.
      the only reason Labour could afford to do any of that was due to cheap credit and a boost in tax revenue thanks to the economy.

      members of my family are labour MP's and I have personally met most of the high ranking members of the labour party. trust me, they are all rich and could not give a crap about the poor. they market the labour brand the way they do to get the votes, sorry to burst your ideological bubble. and for that matter, you do realize that britain has one of the lowest levels of social mobility in the developed world. do you honestly think cradle to the grave benefits isn't the reason for this?
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      (Original post by Greenlaner)
      Anyone else find it somewhat bewildering how the residents of ****holes continually vote for Labour in the hopes that they will improve the area, when quite obviously the vast majority of these ****holes continue to be ****holes when Labour are in control of them? Got to hand it to you Labour supporters, your faith in politics is absolutely astonishing.
      Do you think Labour actually wants to improve these ****holes?

      As long as they remain ****holes the denizens will vote Labour. If the area improves, they'll vote vote accordingly.

      Labour want these places to remain ****holes as that's where their core vote is.
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      (Original post by awm55)
      the only reason Labour could afford to do any of that was due to cheap credit and a boost in tax revenue thanks to the economy.

      members of my family are labour MP's and I have personally met most of the high ranking members of the labour party. trust me, they are all rich and could not give a crap about the poor. they market the labour brand the way they do to get the votes, sorry to burst your ideological bubble. and for that matter, you do realize that britain has one of the lowest levels of social mobility in the developed world. do you honestly think cradle to the grave benefits isn't the reason for this?
      This exactly.

      But trying to convince Teveth is rather futile. He's one of those that actually believe in the ideological Robin Hood kind of **** that Labour spew and they can do no wrong in his eyes.
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      The question can be turned on its head.
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      (Original post by awm55)
      members of my family are labour MP's and I have personally met most of the high ranking members of the labour party. trust me, they are all rich and could not give a crap about the poor.
      Thats the same about any party though. For the most part, they couldn't really give a damn about the people they are supposed to represent.
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      (Original post by awm55)
      the only reason Labour could afford to do any of that was due to cheap credit and a boost in tax revenue thanks to the economy.

      members of my family are labour MP's and I have personally met most of the high ranking members of the labour party. trust me, they are all rich and could not give a crap about the poor. they market the labour brand the way they do to get the votes, sorry to burst your ideological bubble. and for that matter, you do realize that britain has one of the lowest levels of social mobility in the developed world. do you honestly think cradle to the grave benefits isn't the reason for this?
      Have you hell met high ranking members of the labour party and they have told you this. What a load of crap.
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      Politics is so frigging depressing. The idealist in me wishes we had a self governing, perfect marxist society. Obviously impossible, but hey.
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      (Original post by Organ)
      Have you hell met high ranking members of the labour party and they have told you this. What a load of crap.
      yeah, i actually have. Darling, Brown, Milliband, etc.

      in fact I was at a christmas party last thursday and Milliband was supposed to come but couldn't because Parliament was under lock down thanks to the idiots who were rioting outside. they are all rich, own multiple houses in different countries, etc.

      they obviously didn't tell me straight up that they dislike the poor you idiot, but when you are talking to high ranking labour party members in a 6 bedroom house in kensington while drinking champagne it does make them seem a bit deluded don't you think?
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      (Original post by Margaret Thatcher)
      Pretty hard not to notice this.

      Most places that could be deemed **** holes in terms of crime, gang culture, aesthetics, standard of living (and so forth) are presided over by Labour MPs or counsellors.

      Why is this?
      I've noticed this too.

      It's because poor people vote for them, and poor people live in the **** holes.
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      [QUOTE=VagnTheBrave;28938791]It could be something to do with what happened to these areas during the last series of Conservative governments...

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      And Tony Blair's pursuit of a largely conservative agenda, especially on housing.
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      (Original post by SamiFFXIII)
      Erm because they're a socialist party who formulate their whole ideology of being a government which serves to improve society as a whole. Hence in the bad areas there are Labour MPs there as they advocate the socialist agenda. Can you stop being a short sighted tory please.
      This.
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      (Original post by Teveth)
      the NHS improved drastically
      While I support the increased investment, I wouldn't say that the improvement wasn't actually drastic. It was fairly disappointing considering the huge amount of money pumped into the system. Unfortunately the policies, the targets, the restructures, the management consultants, the paperwork and the bureaucracy all meant that most of the extra investment went down the toilet rather than translating into real clinical benefit, which is a shame.

      I still find it strange that all governments ever want to do is restructure. The tories are doing exactly the same thing... costing billions of pounds at a time the NHS can ill afford to waste money.
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      Labour were traditionally the party that looked out for working class interests, not so much anymore but they still hold majority in predominantly working class areas and these areas tend to not be so prosperous or wealthy.
     
     
     
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