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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    Yeah and you need to be a millionaire to run for president.

    it's an admirable system though - it's not written in stone that there has to be two parties or expensive healthcare...

    If the people want more gay rights or no death penalty or whatever they'll get them (eventually) because it's a democracy.

    and fox news - wtf has that got to do with the government? you think Obama should step in and shut it down?
    It's hardly an admirable system that, for instance, allows the powerful old hags polishing their rifles at the NRA to influence lax gun laws that make high school shootings so frequent.

    Democracy? My ass. In so far there exists a democracy, the USA isn't up there. Home to two parties, and a massive lobbying industry. Go Figure!
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    (Original post by Formica)
    USA is nowhere near as good as many claim it to be, and they have a track record of lagging behind the rest of the Western world on civil rights issues: abolition, segregation, gay rights and secularism to name some straight off.
    they had segregation till recently but they were able to get rid of it quickly once the case had been made to the public by the civil rights movement, and now of course they have a black president. It's an unequalled turnaround IMO and one that you've dismissed far too lightly.

    If you want democracy you've got to put up with situations when the rest of the population doesn't agree with what you think is right.
    Depends if you want gauge the quality of a government on how well it responds to what the people being governed want or how well it's conforming to your view of what a government should be doing.
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    (Original post by Luceria)
    I'd say it's pretty good in Norway. And other Scandinavian countries.
    Yes. It's great here, with you. :awesome:
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    they had segregation till recently but they were able to get rid of it quickly once the case had been made to the public by the civil rights movement, and now of course they have a black president. It's an unequalled turnaround IMO and one that you've dismissed far too lightly.
    It would be unfair not to recognise the huge progress that's been made, but even with a black president the damage still isn't anywhere near undone. Segregation was not got rid of quickly, it hasn't even been got rid of. Black people in the United States are still segregated. It's still commonplace for black communities to be separated from white ones, in areas with poorer education and healthcare, crime and sanitation. Changing some laws back in the 1960s is not enough, not by a long shot. The fact it took so long to get started, and that segregation existed at all is bad enough. I'm not claiming the historical aspects of this should be counted against the USA if we're deciding which is currently the best government.

    If you want democracy you've got to put up with situations when the rest of the population doesn't agree with what you think is right.
    Depends if you want gauge the quality of a government on how well it responds to what the people being governed want or how well it's conforming to your view of what a government should be doing.
    A government representing the will of the people is one step, and kudos to any country that manages that, but a government that represents a progressive and tolerant population is best. I'm not saying the US is bottom of the barrel, but they're certainly behind the rest of the western world in terms of issues like LGBT rights and secularism. Whatever reasons they have for that, a government that is democratic and supports LGBT rights still ranks higher than a democratic government that does not IMO. Tolerance is always better than prejudice.
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    Estonia
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    (Original post by catsss)
    Yes. It's great here, with you. :awesome:
    :awesome: Indeed.
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    America obviously
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    The land of opportunity.
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    Some Scandinavian country I'd bet
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    The United States has an admirable attitude to domestic freedoms. You can do virtually anything in America and the introduction of CCTV on a public street is considered an outrage. However, its continued use of executions, its continued endemic racism and its total rejection of any kind of state provided health service would all prevent it from contention for me. At the same time, you have to realise that different US states are very different places. The attitude of state government in Arkansas, for instance, is very different to California.

    The winner would probably have to be somewhere in Scandinavia, far better public services, far better quality of life. Holland is actually not as liberal as people think and racism is a huge problem, including within government. Germany is a great place to live as well. I've always enjoyed spending time there.
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    I personally would say Norway.
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    ROI.

    Free cheese to the poor? You could learn a lot from us tbh.
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    Interesting fact that I peddle out whenever Scandinavia is mentioned: Did you know, Norway have a giant bank account where they put all the profit from the massive natural resource sales (ie oil) and this bank account is the second largest lump of WONGA anywhere in the world. The interest earnt on this money is singularly enough to pay their entire budget every year - yet they keep taking taxes, for some reason. It's for this purpose that they can have a relatively free society (go look up their business freedom rankings - it's higher than the oft-peddled myth of them being socialist would suggest) whilst simultaneously having great public services.

    That said, it's always dangerous to look at areas - any areas - and just try and grab whatever system they have because it works. I know this thread isn't about what we can steal, but it's an interesting topic. Scandanavia is, culturally, different to the Anglicised world. Their lawyers and their cleaners get paid a much closer salary than ours do, and it's not because government legislation forces it to be like that. That's their culture, and as laudable as many people may deem it to be, that doesn't mean it's possible to simply take what works and ditch what doesn't, and portmanteau it into the UK.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    France.

    Republicanism. Liberty. Equality. Fraternity. Secularism. Vive la France! :coma:
    The minor flaw being that liberty and equality are fundamentally incompatible, it should only take a moments reflection to see that
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    (Original post by 4TSR)
    the UK - Every other country just seems so backward and just plain stupid.
    .. ok :lolwut: ..
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    Cuba
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    (Original post by Addzter)
    I'd say either Sweden, Holland or maybe Canada. All deliciously Liberal.
    Sweden is particularly illiberal when it comes to the things that really matter (Drugs and prostitution).
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    Turkey :awesome:
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    Brazil
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    (Original post by Ireth00)
    .. ok :lolwut: ..

    lol u mad?
 
 
 
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