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    (Original post by Axes)
    Or maybe remembering and learning not to turn the other cheek, protecting themselves when needed and not going like sheep to the slaughter.
    Basically becoming hitler..
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    (Original post by Menakshelatte)
    Basically becoming hitler..


    By defending ourselves and not going like sheep to the slaughter? Sure, so everyone is hitler then.
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    Let me google that for you...
    Thank me later.
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    (Original post by Axes)
    By defending ourselves and not going like sheep to the slaughter? Sure, so everyone is hitler then.
    By using disproportionate amount of violence and claiming its in order to defend one self.
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    (Original post by Axes)
    By defending ourselves and not going like sheep to the slaughter? Sure, so everyone is hitler then.
    no by invading their land,bombing their civillians and taking videos of torture for entertainment...yh that is sadist.
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    i love how many TSRs have the islamic version of the israeli-palestinian conflict without any real knowledge about it. israel arent perfect but neither is the UK. israel have pretty much always done the right thing, although their continuing to build on the west bank is a blot on their otherwise good name - not that the lefty/islamic media will let you believe.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    jews get kicked out of their ancient homeland,

    arabs live there

    it isnt palestinian land nor is it even arab land, its part of the turkish ottoman empire. britain then look after the land

    jews live there, muslims live there - so none of this "dem jews took our land!!!"

    jewish immigration increases - mainly assylum from the nazis - arabs worry about jews dominating demographically

    by the end of the war 1/3 jew 2/3 arab.

    UN decides to separate palestine into two - jew and arab states to protect both identities . where both peoples would have to relocate to across the border

    jews agree to partition plan, muslims dont so war breaks out - jews win and make muslims relocate to accross the border
    muslims begin being terrorists

    west bank becomes part of jordan

    all arab nations try to invade israel in 67 and 73.

    jews win and claim land in compensation - the west bank from jordan, gaza from egypt and the golan heights from syria.

    some muslims continue being terrorists firing rockets from inside shopping centres, hospitals, mosques so israel have no choice but to kill the militant - and civillians die in the process

    israel blockaded gaza and demands to inspect all vessels and goods going in and out not allowing building material

    media makes out theres a humanitarian crisis in gaza, which even gazans laugh about
    This, OP, is the Israeli account of things.

    Just so you're aware it is far from objective. But it is one of the few serious answers on this thread.

    (Original post by jamesman13)
    i love how many TSRs have the islamic version of the israeli-palestinian conflict without any real knowledge about it. israel arent perfect but neither is the UK. israel have pretty much always done the right thing, although their continuing to build on the west bank is a blot on their otherwise good name - not that the lefty/islamic media will let you believe.
    OK now you've lost all credibility.
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    (Original post by LauriC)
    No it's nothing to do with that, one factor that caused it though was a belief in crap like that though (ie. the Jews being forced to flee Europe and retuning to Isreali which is supposedly their 'land of milk and honey')

    Essentially it is a disupte over land- and one that is unlikely to be resolved seeing as they both seem to have a legitimate claim to the land. And it's propelled by violence, religion, even the cold war etc. But the bare bones of it is just fighting over that land, Zionists beleive it is there homeland, but the Arabs have lived there for literally thousands of years.

    Basically google it. You have to be very thorough and look at both sides of the story because it is near impossible to get a sufficiently objective conclusion (it never is with history- but especially with the Arab-Isreali conflict as there is such deep-set hate)...
    A very creditable, objective answer.

    (Original post by Read the riot act)
    It will be a good thing when Iran gets some nuclear arms as it will bring some stability to the region.
    There is nothing worse than a person (Israel) beating up a cripple (Palestine) because they have their big brother standing over them (USA).


    "Oh guys its all cool some people who worshipped the same God lived here 2000 years ago, means its perfectly fine to build illegal settlements in the west bank and steal land which Muslims, Christiansand crucially Atheists all have the right to live on as well but we will forget about that. If you critisise Israel you are a NAZI!"
    Very well said.

    +rep tomorrow when I can give it. :top:

    (Original post by Axes)
    MAD worked with the US and Russia, because both had equal capabilities. With Israel and Iran, it is different. Israel's small size makes it an ideal target for a first strike nuclear attack, meaning that a nuclear balance such as with the US and Russia does not exist between those two.
    So basically, what you are saying is that despite Israel having what, the 4th most powerful military in the world or so, other countries should be prevented from developing anywhere near comparable capabilities the region because of Israel's teeny-weeny size? :curious:

    That's the stupidest thing I've heard you say. If we were to draw a map of the Mid-East with countries' sizes determined by their military force, Israel would occupy 99.99+% of the map, and that is no exaggeration!

    (Original post by Axes)
    Or maybe remembering and learning not to turn the other cheek, protecting themselves when needed and not going like sheep to the slaughter.
    It's truly amazing how an Israeli patriot can make the justification for apartheid and ethnic cleansing look like innocent self-defence. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Menakshelatte)
    no by invading their land,bombing their civillians and taking videos of torture for entertainment...yh that is sadist.

    Sorry but history just doesnt echo your hyperbolic imagination, and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict definately did not start that way.
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    Israel, thanks to the backing of the U.S. can afford to bully and defecate upon an unarmed third-world country in order to serve their own interests; namely, moar land.

    /thread
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    (Original post by Billydodger)
    So i heard that Israel was being really racist towards Palestine. Like, Israeli people are meant to have lighter skin tones, more blondes, more blue eyes...so they think they are superior? Is this true? Why are Israel and Palestine fighting?
    Basically....because they are all idiots.

    But not on the same level as you...you clown.
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    It's hard to believe Israel are the most innocent ones here.. how many Israeli's have died (and I agree it's terrible when they do..) but I've seen with my own eyes the aftermath .. young and old Palestinians with their legs blown off.. people who can be and should be self-sufficient. It's horrible. Hamas are hardly helping but it's not particularly surprising that with the resources they are allowed, Palestine haven't been able to find a better government.

    I have Israeli friends but whenever someone compares what is happening to the holocaust they always "OMG YOU DID NOT JUST TALK ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST!! THE DISREPESCT!! MY GREAT AUNTIE SURVIVED IT!"

    And I'm thinking.. exactly.. you know how much it hurts.
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    (Original post by bill-e)
    By using disproportionate amount of violence and claiming its in order to defend one self.

    Proportion in war is not a statistical casualty equasion, because if that was the case, no war in history was ever proportional. The point of defending one's self is not to inflict the same number of casualties to your enemy as you suffer. That will simply embolden your enemy to continue attacking you knowing your response will be no different than a ping-pong game, with no other motive than shooting back. No, the motive for responding to an attack is to make an end to it, and thus proportion in war is the proportional damage a military objective can cause relative to the gain it might bring.
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    (Original post by BoxesAndBangles)
    It's hard to believe Israel are the most innocent ones here.. how many Israeli's have died (and I agree it's terrible when they do..) but I've seen with my own eyes the aftermath .. young and old Palestinians with their legs blown off.. people who can be and should be self-sufficient. It's horrible. Hamas are hardly helping but it's not particularly surprising that with the resources they are allowed, Palestine haven't been able to find a better government..

    So few British died during the Blitz relative to the number of Germans. Howcome you continued the war for years after the blitz ended? You should have stopped the war and left the Germans in peace once the number of German casualties equalled those of the British, because, as you said, war is just a mathematical equasion

    *Sarcasm off*
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    (Original post by Axes)
    Sorry but history just doesnt echo your hyperbolic imagination, and the Israeli/Palestinian conflict definately did not start that way.
    aha sure..
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    How can people beso negative about Hitler yet try to make Israel seem innocent?
    it's not adding up..
    Dear Israelians,you either stop complaining of the holocaust or stop doing it yourselves.
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    (Original post by Menakshelatte)
    aha sure..

    Indeed. History did not go that way. 60 years of Jewish immigration goes unnoticed. No Palestinian evicted, and Jews legally purchase the land. Decades of Arab porgoms eventually lead to civil war. When the UN votes to create two states, one Jewish and one Arab (later Palestinian), the Palestinians reject it and together with 5 Arab states go on a crusade intending to commit genocide on the Jewish community. They lost and that is the basis for the Palestinian tragedy. The Jews in Palestine were not going to suffer what they suffered just 4 years earlyer.
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    (Original post by Axes)
    Indeed. History did not go that way. 60 years of Jewish immigration goes unnoticed. No Palestinian evicted, and Jews legally purchase the land. Decades of Arab porgoms eventually lead to civil war. When the UN votes to create two states, one Jewish and one Arab (later Palestinian), the Palestinians reject it and together with 5 Arab states go on a crusade intending to commit genocide on the Jewish community. They lost and that is the basis for the Palestinian tragedy. The Jews in Palestine were not going to suffer what they suffered just 4 years earlyer.
    so that gives them a right to do genocide? you talk sense..
    what you're basically saying is "Palestine lost the war to Israel they all deserve to die.(as a country who has been complaining from holcaust for YEARS)
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      (Original post by Menakshelatte)
      How can people beso negative about Hitler yet try to make Israel seem innocent?
      it's not adding up..
      Dear Israelians,you either stop complaining of the holocaust or stop doing it yourselves.
      Pfft. The day Israelis stop defending themselves is the day Israel seizes to exist.
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      (Original post by Menakshelatte)
      so that gives them a right to do genocide? you talk sense..
      what you're basically saying is "Palestine lost the war to Israel they all deserve to die.(as a country who has been complaining from holcaust for YEARS)
      it amazes me how influential Pallywood is in convincing the world that deaths in a war are called civillian deaths in any war, except if israel is involved in which case its called 'genocide'
     
     
     
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