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    (Original post by Get Real)
    They are all mongs.
    Is your sig from the protests? Which ones did you go to?
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    Also clearly UAF are the better of the two.
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    (Original post by B-Man.)
    You believe that targeting hatred at a religious group is legal?
    Well it depends what you are defining as 'hatred'. Religions have been targeting communities for years. For example... 'homosexuality is a sin, you will go to hell' I've heard this said a few times as I've passed by fruit loops in the street. They don't get arrested. They are exercising (or abusing) their right to democracy. Now I don't agree with everything the EDL does or says, but they have the right to voice those opinions as long as they don't step over a certain mark.
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    (Original post by FloydHead)
    Hi,
    I would have put a poll up for this, but I have no idea how.
    Anyway, my question is: with which of these two groups do your sympathies lie?

    I know that many of you wouldn't necessarily agree with either one of them, but if you had to choose one, which would you be more likely to side with?

    Personally, I side with the UAF.
    Before I answer your question, perhaps you could answer mine. Which would you rather have - gonorrhea or syphilis?
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    (Original post by AdamQ)
    Before I answer your question, perhaps you could answer mine. Which would you rather have - gonorrhea or syphilis?
    Neither, I'd just avoid shagging your mum altogether.
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    Neither. The EDL represent a far, right fascist movement. They claimed that they were against Muslim extremists, and not Islam itself(until of course the YouTube clip was shown). These people are extremists themselves.

    The UAF represent a far, left, possibly communist leaning movement. They claim that they are against fascism, but don't want other groups to have their freedom of speech. In that sense, they are being fascists themselves.

    Really, they both represent a lot of violence. Both seem to be over run by chavs. In low income area's, cultures are bound to clash, and not in a good way. Take W. Yorkshire for example. Both Leeds and Bradford have a fair share of the Asian community, but Leeds is considerably richer. Leeds is a "melting pot" where other cultures meet daily at work school etc... Bradford is considerably poorer, with a lot of working class people. It is a hugely populated Asian area, as it's a cheap place to live. As a result, members of the White culture claim "they took our jobs" which causes segregation. This initially lead to White/Asian segregation but as they say "scum breed scum" A lot of the Asian community will make things up about white people, about "conspiring" etc.. and a lot of White people will do the same about the Asian people.

    This doesn't tend to happen in more middle class areas
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    Oh, you mean the bigoted retards who want to exercise their freedom of speech to crush the freedoms of others? Don't be stupid. They are the real fascists.
    The organisation's adherents give it a very bad name, kinda like the EDL. The organisation itself opposed fascism and preaches freedom of speech, equality, and all the rest of it, but it's followers have gotten a bit carried away. The same goes for the EDL - the organisation preaches against only extremist Muslims, but its followers get carried away and kick the **** out of anything brown that passes before them.

    Btw, I don't fully support the UAF, but I sympathise with them way more than I do with the EDL. I found it ridiculously hypocritical when they egged Nick Griffin and prevented him from delivering his speech, and I find it hilariously ironic when they chant things like 'EDL off our streets' and all the rest of it. I understand the point you make perfectly well, but I ask you to look towards the organisation's policies first before you call them fascist, rather than look towards the atrocious behaviour of its hyped up followers, most of whom I don't even think know what the group actually stands for. I believe it was Orwell who said 'Like Christianity, the worst example for socialism is its adherents.' Substitute socialism with UAF (or even EDL for that matter) and you get the point I'm trying to make here.
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    The UAF are undemocratic scum and the EDL are racist scum
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    Well, Id put the UAF in the socialism category, and the EDL in the nationalism category, even though they are mainly working class
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    If I had to join one, I'd definitely join the EDL.

    I am 110% against the Islamification of Britain and Western Europe. I am not racist however, and the EDL's racist views put me off. Shame really, an organised, committed movement fighting radical Islam would have been excellent.

    Nevermind.
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    EDL over UAF any day.

    At least you know what the EDL are about, and at least they make sense to an extent. The UAF seem to protest against anything and everything.
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    well, for those of us who actually have worthwhile things to do on saturdays, protesting against an entire religion, or stooping down to protest against such protesters seems to be very self defeating, ridiculous and quite frankly a waste of time.

    the sooner the EDL realise that protesting in random towns against 'radical islam'- most of which isnt actually located in the mosques they are protesting at, but rather more likely found in the basement of a suburban house, the better communities will be. and the sooner the UAF stop thinking they are the saviours of muslims who quite frankly couldnt give two ****s about them, or that they are the nelson mandelas of their age, the better. both groups are rooted in sensationalism and self indulgence which ignores the real issues of dealing with islamic radicals in otherwise ordinary communities.
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    I propose a new group: TSRAI/TSRAC

    TSR against idiots/ TSR against chavs
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    (Original post by ilovedubstep)
    Is your sig from the protests? Which ones did you go to?
    No it isn't. It's the Red Army at Manchester City earlier in the year.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    EDL over UAF any day.

    At least you know what the EDL are about, .
    It's mostly about paying-off Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's mortgage arrears. It's been very successful at that - he's been seen several times in the Stone Island off Regent's St spending a couple of grand a time,
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    In the past fortnight the EDL have been linked to this killing:

    http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/...l/article.html

    And this amusing attempted fraud:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22808056/
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    (Original post by juanmodesto)
    It's mostly about paying-off Stephen Yaxley-Lennon's mortgage arrears. It's been very successful at that - he's been seen several times in the Stone Island off Regent's St spending a couple of grand a time,
    I don't think that's quite it
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    (Original post by ilickbatteries)
    If I had to join one, I'd definitely join the EDL.

    I am 110% against the Islamification of Britain and Western Europe. I am not racist however, and the EDL's racist views put me off. Shame really, an organised, committed movement fighting radical Islam would have been excellent.

    Nevermind.
    add the EDL page on your facebook, youll change your opinion about them i guaranatee. the odd racist member on there always gets verbally abused - and thats not whitewashing - most of them genuinely arent racist
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    Our leader Dave chose UAF... hasn't been seen out there with his smoke bombs and smelly dreads though.
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    (Original post by jamesman13)
    add the EDL page on your facebook, youll change your opinion about them i guaranatee. the odd racist member on there always gets verbally abused - and thats not whitewashing - most of them genuinely arent racist
    No, most just make rash and unfounded insults towards muslims (note that i say muslims here, not just fundamentalists) and are then rewarded either with likes or replies going along the lines of 'well said mate'- however, introduce any form of debate and they will dismiss you as a leftie or anti-british. This isn't racism; this is collectively targeting a minority group (of which a smaller minority of this group seems to be 'representative of them) and creating a common enemy.
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    When Orwell created the '2 minutes of hate' in Nineteen Eighty Four, I did not expect his vision to ingrained into reality, or that people would still be foolish enough to accept it. It seems that people never change.
 
 
 
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