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jesusandtequila
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(Original post by Andrii)
I honestly doubt a person's political views are representative of their level of intelligence
Naturally, some of "today's young Leftists" (as you so eloquently put it) will be smarter than others, in the same way that we see variations in intellectual abilities across society in general.
Bah, I wanted to rep you for this (but I've run out for the day), it makes no sense to try to paint in broad strokes such generalisations.

Funnily enough, when I first got interested in politics I was more right-wing than anything else. After doing more extensive reading & research I am now what you would describe as a "leftie". Bite me
See, I went the other way - although I don't like the one-dimensional political line at all, I feel it fails to capture many, many things. I suppose more people would class me as 'Right' than 'Left', but I think of myself as neither.
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(Original post by FyreFight)
There are smart people in there, but I've found that a lot go to it through a misplaced sense of 'rebellion' and others through sheer naivety.
Rebellion? Seriously?

Most of the "young, Lefty" people that I know are like that because they want:

*The world to be as how they like it
*They believe in rights and don't give a **** about responsibilities
*Not open to different point of view
*Bull**** "peer pressure" - i.e. everyone is left wing and so I too must be
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Are today's old Rightists stupid?
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im so academic
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(Original post by WelshBluebird)
The problem is that you are tarring everyone on the left with the same brush.
I am left wing, but I do not want a communist state or a revolution or whatever.
And as already said, some on the right are just as bad (especially the ones that seem to think everyone on benefits is lazy or whatever).
What about the left-wing nuts who think that if EMA is scrapped, all poor people won't be able to go to sixth form? :rolleyes:

Don't be so hypocritical.
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Of course they are.

Take me for example, I actually believe that humans have the potential to achieve a political and economical state based on moral incentives, universal responsibilities and emapthy.

Even though I know it will never happen, because us humans are extremely weak, which in my view means very selfish, often unempathetic, seduced by material interests and very aggressive creatures by nature.
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(Original post by im so academic)
What about the left-wing nuts who think that if EMA is scrapped, all poor people won't be able to go to sixth form? :rolleyes:

Don't be so hypocritical.
I'm not being hypocritical.
Note what I said.
"just as bad".
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It depends how much they have thought about it, if they've thought about it at all.

I think that if they've thought about their beliefs and considered/ researched different ideologies and reached a system of politics that appeals to them, then they're just as intelligent as anyone else. However if they're just joined in as a left winger because they saw other people doing it, then I think that behaviour is stupid, but that doesn't automatically mean the person is stupid.

I also think that it's good to be a left winger when you're young. If you don't want to change the world and make it a better place for others when you're 15/16, then there's something wrong.
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(Original post by jesusandtequila)
...There will be highly intelligent people on all sides of the political spectrum, and less intelligent ones also.

To argue that a particular group is stupid/clever is to ignore the huge variation in intelligence that will occur within any political grouping, and it makes no more sense than saying 'Are today's young leftists ginger?'.
Asserting axioms is rather unnecessary.
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(Original post by IQ Test)
I also think that it's good to be a left winger when you're young. If you don't want to change the world and make it a better place for others when you're 15/16, then there's something wrong.
You believe that only those on the Left wish to make the world a better place?
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(Original post by DisconcertingWink1)
Asserting axioms is rather unnecessary.
Not really, the whole premise of the debate is one based upon a fallacy. It's not even worth discussing, since people are individuals, not merely members of groups.
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(Original post by planetearth)
Of course they are.

Take me for example, I actually believe that humans have the potential to achieve a political and economical state based on moral incentives, universal responsibilities and emapthy.

Even though I know it will never happen, because us humans are extremely weak, which in my view means very selfish, often unempathetic, seduced by material interests and very aggressive creatures by nature.
What the ****? Is there any use in believing in something so idealistic that even YOU are saying it will never happen?
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Stupid, no. The most intelligent person I know is astonishingly left wing, however I think naive may be slightly more appropriate.
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Meh, I'm very Left-Wing.

I pay taxes, it hasn't nudged me towards Right-Wing views, though I can see your basis for that.

In any case, I'm not stupid.

Of course some younger Left-Wingers will be slightly idiotic. Though, to contrast it to the Right, in which you've made out to be the pinnacle of teenage intelligence, is wrong.

I know many Right-Wing fools. I'm in a Politics class full of them. Of course, they aren't all like that, by the same token, not all Left-Wing teens are either.
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(Original post by im so academic)
Rebellion? Seriously?

Most of the "young, Lefty" people that I know are like that because they want:

*The world to be as how they like it
*They believe in rights and don't give a **** about responsibilities
*Not open to different point of view
*Bull**** "peer pressure" - i.e. everyone is left wing and so I too must be
Peer pressure doesn't always have anything to do with it. I went to a school where the majority of my peers were fairly right wing or completely apolitical, and I came out of there really pretty left wing. This wasn't pointless rebellion either, I just stuck to the views that I have despite the peer pressure to be Tory because 'Thatcher sorted out the country' :rolleyes: Of course, there are young people who espouse left wing views because that's what their friends are doing, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
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(Original post by WelshBluebird)
I'm not being hypocritical.
Note what I said.
"just as bad".
Yes you are. In previous comments, you fail to acknowledge that you yourself make stupid generalist comments, yet ATTACK OTHERS for the same thing?

That is being hypocritical.
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(Original post by IQ Test)
It depends how much they have thought about it, if they've thought about it at all.

I think that if they've thought about their beliefs and considered/ researched different ideologies and reached a system of politics that appeals to them, then they're just as intelligent as anyone else. However if they're just joined in as a left winger because they saw other people doing it, then I think that behaviour is stupid, but that doesn't automatically mean the person is stupid.

I also think that it's good to be a left winger when you're young. If you don't want to change the world and make it a better place for others when you're 15/16, then there's something wrong.
Excuse me? You don't have to be a ****ing left winger to do that.
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No. Just because someone has a differnet idea doesn't make them stupid.
Most ideas that end up being right and changing things for the better started off being frowned upon and called stupid... I'd say they're pretty smart.
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You believe that only those on the Left wish to make the world a better place?
On the whole, yes: one of the key things about left wing politics is that the needs of the people outweigh the needs of private companies. Many on the right only chase their own personal interests.

I said many: I'm sure there are exceptions.
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Peer pressure doesn't always have anything to do with it. I went to a school where the majority of my peers were fairly right wing or completely apolitical, and I came out of there really pretty left wing. This wasn't pointless rebellion either, I just stuck to the views that I have despite the peer pressure to be Tory because 'Thatcher sorted out the country' :rolleyes: Of course, there are young people who espouse left wing views because that's what their friends are doing, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
You're not my age. Believe me, it is "hip" nowadays to be left wing.
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You can't post something controversial and then just say 'discuss' without having offered any justification. (Well, you obviously can, as you just did, but my point is that it's not tremendously conducive to debate.)

Some of them are, some of them aren't. I'm a 'leftist', as you so charmingly put it, and I like to think that I'm not stupid.
I second this. As much as I love to hate socialists, they do frequently make good points.

And I'd agree with kerily about the slightly 'strong' title...we can't expect to properly debate such an outlandish motion!
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