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    (Original post by Lovehunter)
    No, I'm not getting confused. Men don't age as fast as women physically. Men get more 'distinguished' looks wise with age. Women don't, they just look less attractive.

    Women aren't as bothered about a guy's looks as men are about women's looks anyway. The primary weapon that women have to attract men (their looks) declines rapidly after 30 for women. But the primary weapon men have to attract women (their personality, confidence and status), tends to RISE after 30.

    I didn't make life this way, so don't flame me. Blame God, blame mother nature, but the fact is men age better than women, end of.
    If anything I disagree with your perception because its not true. Generally speaking a single woman in her 50's would find it easier to get a bloke than a 40 year old man would a women. If a mans looks get better then why are there all these desperate men in their 40's/50's that have to look at porn all day cause they arnt getting any?
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    (Original post by stayfitfreek)
    If anything I disagree with your perception because its not true.
    Keep deluding yourself, then...

    (Original post by stayfitfreek)
    Generally speaking a single woman in her 50's would find it easier to get a bloke than a 40 year old man would a women.
    You're so wrong about that. Observe the world around you and you'll see that. Do your research - what you're saying is not true!

    I would also suggest you read a book called 'The truth about dating' by Steve Penner.

    He ran a successful dating agency for 30 years and in the book he talks about what he concluded about dating and relationships by observing the 1000s of couples he met during that time.

    One of the things he concluded was that around the age of 30 to 35, the power balance really starts to shift in mens' favour and the most romantically/sexually desperate women are those in their 40s and 50s. These women in their 40s and 50s used to get a lot of attention from men in their 20s, but got a lot less male attention as they got older, causing them to be a lot more romantically/sexually desperate.

    You really ought to get yourself clued up on this subject. You, stubbornly, won't admit that I'm right, because as a girl you can't face up to a guy being right. But when you get yourself clued up you'll realise the truth.

    Again, this isn't a woman hating thread. It's simply a thread pointing out the reality of men vs women in terms of ageing and attractiveness to the opposite sex. And the reality is that 1) women age faster and less well than men, and 2) men have a wider window/age range that they can attract women, and 3) women get LESS attractive with age, men get MORE attractive with age.

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    If a mans looks get better then why are there all these desperate men in their 40's/50's that have to look at porn all day cause they arnt getting any?
    What desperate men in their 40s/50s are these? There are desperate people of all ages. Men in their late teens and 20s look at porn a lot, you know. Witness the large number of university students on TSR who watch porn and who have trouble getting laid, for example.
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    (Original post by shinytoy)
    i doubt you could even tell the difference between a few 25 and 21 year olds!
    Even at 27 when I go out people still think I look 19, I wonder if they never knew my real age if they would hang around.
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    (Original post by stayfitfreek)
    OP you are getting confuse. Both men and women generally decline, in terms of physical appearance, with age. The general idea though is that women are more attracted to a mans status and personality more than his looks (though looks do matter). So as a guy gets older his status and personality often get better with life experience, women are willing to ignore a mans declining looks to some extent if he has the desired status/personality. With women however guys (particularly younger guys) tend to place a lot of emphasis on looks.
    ^^^this - i mean, i dont see the vast majority of 16 - 19 year olds girls busting a nut to get a bf in his 40-50s. i see most of them in a relationship with dudes of a similar age. i notice them checking out hot guys in the 6th form. not the average balding or graying daddy type.

    fact is, mens looks peak at age 27 - 37. womens looks peak at 21 - 27. if you find younger women than that attractive, im guessing you are looking at your peers at school. but i dont see uni guys or post grad gys ogling over the average schoolgirl on her way to sixth form. rather, they are dating and checking out girls of a similar age. if you do google research, mos tpeople marry those of a similar age.
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    I disagree with OP, why do you think the ****/Cougar phenomena began? A lot of young guys still find women in their late 30s to 50s attractive if they look good.



    Also IMHO men and women in their 60s and over aren't really attractive to anyone young unless they're rich.

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    This isn't really news though.
    To answer your question, I don't worry too much. I am 21, and I have a quite young face so I won't really mind looking a tad older. Besides my mother is 54 and looks great - she is also slim like me and my sister, so I think our genes are good.
    Of course I am not happy about the physical development which will happen later, especially at 35+. But I hope I still can look good for my age, and hopefully I'm married with children and there are other things in life of importance than men hitting on you in the streets.

    To a certain extent you are right, but I wouldn't say from the age of 16. The "prime" age of a woman physically, is around 18-20. If you are naturally beautiful and slim, this is when you'll look your best. However some struggle with their weight at young age, maybe some have a bad sense of style or don't take care of themselves, and don't really find "their form" until mid-twenties. I have a few female friends whom "blossomed" in their early twenties. But yes, after 30 it is downhill for everybody. Even if you work on your looks, your skin looses elasticity, the body takes on a different shape (especially after children) and you get an overall more "tired" look. And the distinction between you wearing makeup or not wearing any grows larger. I once heard someone say "if a woman says she feel naked without lipstick, she is 30+". So true!

    For guys, meh. Depends on the guy. Some have a "youthful" charm, and just look a tad weird once they've suddenly grown a beard. There are some male actors now in their forties, whom looked better in their twenties. I think it's more a personal maturity thing - guys take longer to grow up, and that confidence makes them more attractive to women. Once you're there, it doesn't help you to grow older though. It stops at a certain point. Liam Neeson was hot in his late thirties/early forties. Now, not so much.

    Regarding the "****" thing - this is mostly a personality issue, women 40+ cannot sit around and wait for men to come to them, therefore they need to hunt for guys. For young men whom are used to having to make a lot of effort wooing girls, the idea of a woman seducing them is a major turn on (at least the stereotype that they will, seen in films). In real life, a woman is better off with an older man for sexual pleasure, so when an older woman goes for a younger man, she is not doing so for a great sexual experience. She is looking for confirmation that she is still attractive (she is not seeking his youth, but her own). Hence the term cougar. If she is single, she has become desperate and perhaps she is no longer fertile, or if she's married, she wants a fling. Either way, what she is in the market for is sex only, which is what guys find appealing (naturally). There are obviously people who get together and make a relationship work on those terms, but the normal combination is older man than woman for natural purposes. I agree some women have a natural aura about them which they don't lose. I admire what Demi Moore goes through to look the way she does, and I think Diane Keaton is a beautiful older woman.
    For sex alone, a woman can take care of herself and be seen as "hot" - it doesn't take much artificial add-ons for men to label you "hot". Besides, you hardly lose the ability to get laid. But as you are not longer fertile, you cannot get a relationship with a man who want kids, which is most of them, once they've reached that age.
    I think every woman who want children have that certain stress about her, even from an early age. Guys are lucky in that sense. But honestly, I'm optimistic about the future Will enjoy my boobs while they're perky, but the world doesn't end when they're not
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    (Original post by stayfitfreek)
    If anything I disagree with your perception because its not true. Generally speaking a single woman in her 50's would find it easier to get a bloke than a 40 year old man would a women. If a mans looks get better then why are there all these desperate men in their 40's/50's that have to look at porn all day cause they arnt getting any?
    Do you have some evidence of all these men looking at porn?
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    (Original post by Lovehunter)
    As a guy gets older, his market value increases.

    As a girl ages, her market value decreases, and often fairly rapidly.

    A woman's market value is at her highest between the ages of 16 and 25 (possibly up to 30 if she really takes care of herself and is lucky). During this age range, women are at their most attractive to men. They can rely on their looks and 'sexiness' to attract guys (and, often, manipulate men for their own gain).

    As a women reaches 30 and beyond, her market value rapidly decreases and she becomes less attractive to men. Once she reaches the menopause, she's finished and no man wants her any more.

    Contrast this with how men age and what ageing means to a man's market value....

    A young guy in his late teens or 20s is not yet at his most attractive to women. He is still seen as a 'boy' and not a man yet.

    As a man gets towards 30, his market value rapidly increases. He starts to look more manly in his appearance, and he starts to act more manly in his personality because he is maturing. Often, he has more career and financial success too. All these traits increase his market value and therefore his attractiveness towards women.

    A guy in his 30s, 40s and 50s and sometimes even older can still be massively attractive to women and date women who are much, much younger than himself. But a woman in her 30s, 40s, 50s and over is going to find attracting a man much harder work.

    See, women have the power when they're younger, but after 30 the power balance shifts rapidly and a women loses her seductive power, whereas a man GAINS his power.

    There is a saying, 'Men age like fine wine, women age like milk'. It's so true!

    This is why younger guys at uni find it hard to get laid, and the girls that age have tons of guys after them. The guys haven't yet reached their most attractive, and the girls are at their most attractive.

    So yeah, this isn't a woman hating thread, it's just making people aware of the truth about age vs attractiveness.

    To the girls here, do you worry about being over 25 or 30 and losing your 'seductive power'?
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22423348/

    Some people look better with age, some don't. It's not necessarily a male/female divide. Some women look attractive as they get older, they grow into themselves, and some look hideous, the same for men.
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    (Original post by LipstickKisses)
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22423348/

    Some people look better with age, some don't. It's not necessarily a male/female divide. Some women look attractive as they get older, they grow into themselves, and some look hideous, the same for men.
    Perhaps if they'd studied men it would be a useful survey. Surveying shopping channel QVC is likely to catch a lot of ageing women. Ageing women aren't likely to be that objective about men's taste in women.
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    (Original post by Nepene)
    Perhaps if they'd studied men it would be a useful survey. Surveying shopping channel QVC is likely to catch a lot of ageing women. Ageing women aren't likely to be that objective about men's taste in women.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/wo...ful-at-31.html

    They surveyed men too.
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    Most men improve in appearance until their early 30s, and then it's rapidly downhill from there.

    Teenage boys, take note. I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but when you are 50 you are not going to look like this:

    http://www.topnews.in/files/George-Clooney_0.jpg

    You are more likely to look like this:

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...e_aged_man.jpg

    Also, young women are not attracted to middle aged men, except for exceptional circumstances (see George Clooney as an example). As a 23 year old woman with friends in early-mid 20s, I can say that we very, very rarely find men attractive who are older than 35. Your dreams of getting with 20-something year old women when you're a middle aged man are just not going to happen unless you're exceptionally attractive, exceptionally wealthy, and/or a movie star.
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    (Original post by LipstickKisses)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/wo...ful-at-31.html

    They surveyed men too.
    Yeah, but how many men and how many women? And what do men think? After all, this is about whether men feel older women are attractive, not whether women feel older women are attractive.

    Plus, it'd be helpful to know the average. They said the most common given value is 31. The average could be very different.
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    (Original post by Nepene)
    Yeah, but how many men and how many women? And what do men think? After all, this is about whether men feel older women are attractive, not whether women feel older women are attractive.

    Plus, it'd be helpful to know the average. They said the most common given value is 31. The average could be very different.
    The most common is more helpful than the average. I don't know how many people of each gender.
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    (Original post by Pink Bullets)
    Most men improve in appearance until their early 30s, and then it's rapidly downhill from there.

    Teenage boys, take note. I am sorry to be the one to tell you this, but when you are 50 you are not going to look like this:

    http://www.topnews.in/files/George-Clooney_0.jpg

    You are more likely to look like this:

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...e_aged_man.jpg

    Also, young women are not attracted to middle aged men, except for exceptional circumstances (see George Clooney as an example). As a 23 year old woman with friends in early-mid 20s, I can say that we very, very rarely find men attractive who are older than 35. Your dreams of getting with 20-something year old women when you're a middle aged man are just not going to happen unless you're exceptionally attractive, exceptionally wealthy, and/or a movie star.
    The second man could look closer to the first picture if he lost about 30 pounds.

    And, if you see a man walking down the street and find him attractive, how do you really know how old he is? That 25 year old guy you find so attractive might actually be a 40 year old man. And quite a few 50 year olds could pass for 35.
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    (Original post by LipstickKisses)
    The most common is more helpful than the average. I don't know how many people of each gender.
    The most common is interesting, but the average is more useful. It says what most men and women feel, which is the purpose of the survey. Finding the most common just tells you who the loudest minority is.

    Yeah, it's a rather useless survey.
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    (Original post by ManAbout)
    The second man could look closer to the first picture if he lost about 30 pounds.

    And, if you see a man walking down the street and find him attractive, how do you really know how old he is? That 25 year old guy you find so attractive might actually be a 40 year old man. And quite a few 50 year olds could pass for 35.
    That 25 year old woman you find so attractive might actually be 40. :curious: That is not an argument specifically applicable to men.

    Like I said, there are exceptional circumstances. Most 50 year olds look 50, not 35.
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    (Original post by Pink Bullets)
    That 25 year old woman you find so attractive might actually be 40. :curious: That is not an argument specifically applicable to men.
    It's not the same because a 40 year old woman who looks 25 has still reached the end of her fertile years. She may have retained her looks, and may be suitable for short term flings, she is not an ideal match for a man looking to settle down and start a family. A 40 year old man on the other hand who still retains his looks AND has gathered wealth and resources will be in high demand as a potential mate for women ages 25 and up.
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    (Original post by ManAbout)
    It's not the same because a 40 year old woman who looks 25 has still reached the end of her fertile years. She may have retained her looks, and may be suitable for short term flings, she is not an ideal match for a man looking to settle down and start a family. A 40 year old man on the other hand who still retains his looks AND has gathered wealth and resources will be in high demand as a potential mate for women ages 25 and up.
    Like I said, exceptions. A 40 year old man who both looks 25 and is wealthy is exceptionally rare. You are describing a situation that applies to perhaps one man in a thousand. And yet, every teenage boy on TSR assumes he'll end up being in the .1% rather than the 99.9%.

    As a 23 year old woman, there is absolutely no chance I would consider a serious relationship with any man older than about 32. If he really looks 25, then he might be suitable for a short term fling, sure. This is typical of most women my age. Yes, you get the odd young woman who has a fetish for significantly older man, but the vast, vast majority of 20-something year old women would prefer a partner who is 0-10 years older than them.
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    Men look their best in their late 20s/early 30s as opposed to younger I agree, but many men also let themselves go in their weight or even if they don't, you can tell they're aging in their early 40's and above. But then again I think women in their late 20's/very early 30's look their best too, providing they haven't had children, but many have, which is why it's hard to really comment.

    I think the OP is just over-analysing anyway. The thing I hate about these kind of debates is, they miss the larger picture and focus too much on the little, rather insignificant things. Just because some survey says this, that or the other doesn't mean it trumps what you know/experience in real-life.
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    (Original post by ManAbout)
    It's not the same because a 40 year old woman who looks 25 has still reached the end of her fertile years. She may have retained her looks, and may be suitable for short term flings, she is not an ideal match for a man looking to settle down and start a family. A 40 year old man on the other hand who still retains his looks AND has gathered wealth and resources will be in high demand as a potential mate for women ages 25 and up.
    I agree to this, but apart from the occasional young Russian with older millionaire, the majority of women looking to marry a man in his 40s, are actually 30+. If a man is handsome, successful, wealthy, kind, the marrying type and over 40 years old, he is most likely not single, but divorced. He'll have children from a previous marriage. Most women want their own children and preferably with a man who has none from before, so his choice of women (despite having great assets) will be more those over 30: they might be attractive and all, but they were not chosen when they were younger and have maybe also given up on being someone's first wife.
    The "prime" women at 25, beautiful, talented and from well off backgrounds are more likely to look for men in the same age range which they meet when doing their master's degrees etc.
    Of course there are a lot of men at 40+ with, younger, attractive women but despite a pretty face, they are usually not the type of women most intelligent men are looking for. I know a lot of guys of that type and their younger women are from Russia, Poland, Lithuania etc., and are basically looking for an employed, wealthy man and that's it.
    Remember that although men needs to be of a certain age to have accumulated a fortune, there is more wealth spread among sons of rich families and within inheritance. And if you happen to one of those guys, and handsome and charismatic as well, you're in a better place than anyone.
    But YES I agree, of course, a single 40 year old man (with the good stuff) is in a much much better position than a single 40 year old woman (even if she happens to be doing all right financially).
 
 
 
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