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    (Original post by kopite493)
    global recesssion global dumbass labour does not have control oe the globe:rolleyes:
    Ignoring your quite frankly pathetic attempt at communicating with another human being, the Labour Party had already placed the country in a difficult position long before the global recession could really make its mark. We would have been in a far better position had Labour not done what it did.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    No offence, but you sound like a 17 y/o student who's been 'brainwashed' by her lefty college politics lecture into believing the Tories are a bunch Wolves in sheep's clothing. They're nothing nothing of the sort, what you see is what you get. They're another ideologically vacuous party determined to carry on the disasterous work of New Labour.

    The left/right Tory vs Labour divide you envisage simply isn't applicable anymore.
    How is left/right not applicable? Has class conflict ended? Why did no one tell me?
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    How is left/right not applicable? Has class conflict ended? Why did no one tell me?

    Economic conflict still exists, I just take issue with the OP's rather crass attempt at stereotyping the Tories as a party of milk snatching NHS wreckers with hidden Thatcherite agendas.

    It's been done to death and adds nothing new to the debate.
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    The Government really is making a mess. Today the OECD states that it expects Britain to slip back into recession early next year. Tomorrow George Osborne announces £5 billion more cuts.
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    (Original post by daphodil)
    So I disagree with the whole Tory ethos, and can't stand what they're doing to this country out of sheer idealogy blahblahblah...

    But the reason I really can't stand Cameron and his current cabinet is that they are constantly trying to pull the wool over the publics eyes. Whether it's by saying all those in the public sector who will be striking on Wednesday are selfish, or by Osbourne selflessly wiping the VAT on the X-Factor charity single, conveniently being named live on X Factor infront on millions of viewers.

    They ripped Labour apart on the immigration issue in the general election, now look at the mess its in!! Does anyone care? Nope, because the Tories have wrapped the media round its little finger.


    Food prices/petrol prices are sky high. Again, anyone care? Oh.

    Sneaky NHS shake-ups.

    Youth unemployment the highest its ever been.

    Public sector workers being singled out to pay more into their pension funds...*tumbleweed*

    Why won't the people of this country wake up and stop allowing Cameron to brainwash them???
    It's called politics. Never heard the phrase "show business for ugly people"? Churchill did it, Attlee did it, Thatcher did it, Blair did it.
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    A liberal is a conservative who has been convicted, a conservative is a liberal who has been robbed.
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    We shouldn't be arguing between ourselves over which government is worse, we should be uniting and asking why we only have inept leaders as choices to vote for.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Economic conflict still exists, I just take issue with the OP's rather crass attempt at stereotyping the Tories as a party of milk snatching NHS wreckers with hidden Thatcherite agendas.

    It's been done to death and adds nothing new to the debate.
    What do you expect when introduction to political opinions is through the Guardian Comment is Free section. Every labour/left person I speak to at university just regurgitates the exact talking points on that days CiF they dont develop their own thoughts.
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    (Original post by Procerus)
    What do you expect when introduction to political opinions is through the Guardian Comment is Free section. Every labour/left person I speak to at university just regurgitates the exact talking points on that days CiF they dont develop their own thoughts.
    but all tories spout the same 'its labour's fault' nonsense as well...
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Every government under the sun has supported charities in some form or another. As for public sector workers striking - I'm afraid I entirely agree that they are dicks. Even the moderate left-wingers think that.



    What 'mess' is it in?



    Fair enough.



    Good, the NHS needs a shake-up.



    Fair enough.



    Hardly being 'singled out' - the state only controls public sector pensions. It has no standing to fiddle around with private pensions.
    Are you kidding me? Uk net immigration is at a record high over the past year! Just after Tories used it as one of their main gripes against Labour in the run up to the general election. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/no...on-record-high

    Not to mention the Theresa May fiasco, so not only have we got a load more immigrants but they could also be criminals. Awesome.
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    (Original post by daphodil)
    Are you kidding me? Uk net immigration is at a record high over the past year! Just after Tories used it as one of their main gripes against Labour in the run up to the general election. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/no...on-record-high
    Oh for the love of Christ...

    There's no such thing as 'net immigration'. What you mean is 'net migration' - which is the number of people coming in minus the number of people leaving: it is not a barometer of immigration any more than it is a barometer of the complete opposite.

    It certainly cannot be used be used to suggest that government policies are somehow ineffective at tackling immigration. If more people were to decide tomorrow that Britain is lovely and that they're not going to move to Australia or wherever the working class bugger off to these days, then net migration really would be through the roof - even if you reduced immigration substantially! Believe it or not, the government has no control over emigration: although perhaps it's an idea - bring back transportation to the colonies for ruffians.


    Not to mention the Theresa May fiasco, so not only have we got a load more immigrants but they could also be criminals. Awesome.
    Actually, the scheme put in place by Theresa May resulted in more targeted checking of people coming into the United Kingdom and actually resulted in more criminals being stopped. It was an entirely successful pilot scheme which we should support the greater use of.

    A civil servant apparently implemented some other system, which was not authorised by Theresa May. It certainly caused no 'fiasco'. Nor is the assumption that we got 'a load more immigrants' remotely sensible. Frankly, making things quicker for school groups and children is hardly problematic.

    It's not like there's some herd of migrants flying into Britain on the off-chance that there's a border guard just waving everyone through... :rolleyes:
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    Daphodil may i suggest you start reading a newspaper and not a party political pile of garbage.

    I grant you it's not exactly easy to find an actual newspaper who tells it like it is and in that case I suggest rather than reading something in any paper and just accepting it as gospel do a little research and find a neutral source to verify.

    If you want a straight story rather than a slanted view based on political affiliation the best option is something like Reuters which is a more global press.

    However when people talk about articles in the press rather than accept there take on the article find it and read it yourself and form your own view.

    Simple fact is historically the Conservatives have been the better party for the uk depending on viewpoint. If you are a liberal bleeding heart fantasist then maybe not so.
    They have traditionally focused on the Uk's finances and squaring them away properly which normally means that when they are in power there is a squeeze on everyone as they have to implement things to achieve their goals.

    The squeeze has normally not been their fault but instead been caused by reckless previous governments traditionally the Labour party who have a habit of pandering to the labour unions which is never a good economic policy.

    Short term it wins you votes and keeps you in government through ghost job creation in the form of a massive rise in state employment and unfeasable workers rights. Long term it utterly screws the country financially in many many ways.


    So please feel free to hate the Tories and blame Thatcher Cameron etc for all the problems in the UK etc. But only do so after doing some proper research.
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    (Original post by Rainy)
    A bemusing assertion.
    Uuuh yeah um good point. In my defence i was distracted as was talking to someone while typing...

    :embarrassed:
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    (Original post by Pandora_Eyes)
    We hate the Tory party because they hate us - they're charging us £9,000 a year for something they got for free.
    Yes, because it's not like Blair did the same thing :rolleyes: Honestly, I swear people forget that Blair implemented fees.
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    (Original post by Hammyster)
    Daphodil may i suggest you start reading a newspaper and not a party political pile of garbage.

    I grant you it's not exactly easy to find an actual newspaper who tells it like it is and in that case I suggest rather than reading something in any paper and just accepting it as gospel do a little research and find a neutral source to verify.

    If you want a straight story rather than a slanted view based on political affiliation the best option is something like Reuters which is a more global press.

    However when people talk about articles in the press rather than accept there take on the article find it and read it yourself and form your own view.

    Simple fact is historically the Conservatives have been the better party for the uk depending on viewpoint. If you are a liberal bleeding heart fantasist then maybe not so.
    They have traditionally focused on the Uk's finances and squaring them away properly which normally means that when they are in power there is a squeeze on everyone as they have to implement things to achieve their goals.

    The squeeze has normally not been their fault but instead been caused by reckless previous governments traditionally the Labour party who have a habit of pandering to the labour unions which is never a good economic policy.

    Short term it wins you votes and keeps you in government through ghost job creation in the form of a massive rise in state employment and unfeasable workers rights. Long term it utterly screws the country financially in many many ways.


    So please feel free to hate the Tories and blame Thatcher Cameron etc for all the problems in the UK etc. But only do so after doing some proper research.
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    (Original post by daphodil)
    , or by Osbourne selflessly wiping the VAT on the X-Factor charity single, conveniently being named live on X Factor infront on millions of viewers.
    Gordon Brown did this as well.
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    This coalition government is no different to a New Labour government, and this is what a Blair-ite government would be doing right now. Stop trying to pin the problems of the world, built in the past, on a government who is along for the ride just as much as you are.
    Yes Cameron and his men are all a bit cringe as people, but their policies reflect, in most cases, the only realistic option left, and the same on any party would be forced to take, or do you think that money just appears out of thin air if you wish upon a star? Wake up.
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    A lot of the **** we are seeing in the economy now is the backlash from 1-2 years ago - AKA a labour government era.
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    You make valid points but you tarnish it with your accusations to the 'right' etc. Ideological criticisms are redundant because they offer an impoverished and biased view of economics and social climate which are untrue. In consensus politics, there really is no clear distinction between the main parties so to use the terms 'left' and 'right' really has no meaning at all.
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    (Original post by RunDMC)
    Or because if the Tories had said, All immigration stopped from said date, You leftist ******s would be screaming racist like no tomorrow.

    Don't forget it was your Labour government that put us into this.

    Needs shaking up anyway

    Thanks to Labour flooding the market with migrants and making degrees worthless bits of paper.

    And the trade union leaders you leftists support take home £100k a year, Oh the irony.

    Why won't the people of this country wake up and never allow a Labour government to ever return to power.
    I agree with you.

    But as i've said, this debate is too ideological, just Labour hating on Conservative or vice versa. Essentially, they're both god-awful anachronistic parties that bring the economy into disrepute upon every election and today they are the same party so it makes no difference which one we vote in. On here, you just get the ramblings of children who are socialised and products of their labour/conservative voting parents.

    So in the end, mainstream politics is wrong.
 
 
 
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