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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Thanks, and I think it should be advertised across TSR to encourage people to come forward.
    well i've just taken on a junior minister who i think would be very up for it :P It should be advertised. Obv i cant speak for the full party, but I think its a great idea :P
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Thanks, and I think it should be advertised across TSR to encourage people to come forward.
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    well i've just taken on a junior minister who i think would be very up for it :P It should be advertised. Obv i cant speak for the full party, but I think its a great idea :P
    Well, we have been pushing for more junior ministers, and more active junior ministers for quite some time, and have been coming up with new initiatives to get newer members more involved, so I (and I think I speak for the party here - I can't see why they would disagree) certainly support this
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    Now who will speak up for the mute people?!
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    (Original post by bun)
    Well, we have been pushing for more junior ministers, and more active junior ministers for quite some time, and have been coming up with new initiatives to get newer members more involved, so I (and I think I speak for the party here - I can't see why they would disagree) certainly support this
    well at least we'll get sacked together if the rest don't It does seem a really good idea.
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    well at least we'll get sacked together if the rest don't It does seem a really good idea.
    haha - a very positive way of looking at things
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    Sounds good, lets get the wheels moving.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    I see what you mean, and I agree
    Thanks, fingers crossed Nick will!!
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    I'll need to run it past the Admins to see if they'll allow it & run advertising, etc. If so, then as a special exception, I will allow a motion to be submitted proposing this.

    It might be worth having a discussion about what should happen if a party were to be shut down in future. I think I still prefer an amendment to a motion tbh.
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    I think that when a party gets shut down there should always be a by-election (assuming this one goes well).
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    I'm sorry, are there not enough experienced members of the house hanging about that an amendment could be written up in five minutes? I'll happily do it if we require one and people want a by election but don't know how to make it happen.
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    I'll need to run it past the Admins to see if they'll allow it & run advertising, etc. If so, then as a special exception, I will allow a motion to be submitted proposing this.

    It might be worth having a discussion about what should happen if a party were to be shut down in future. I think I still prefer an amendment to a motion tbh.
    Any word?

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    I'm sorry, are there not enough experienced members of the house hanging about that an amendment could be written up in five minutes? I'll happily do it if we require one and people want a by election but don't know how to make it happen.
    My suggestion wasn't due to not being able to write an amendment, just to see if we can push this through the house more quickly, as amendment can take a long time to pass.
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    (Original post by OrangeStu)
    Any word?
    Nothing yet.
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    I've started looking at options for if this happens in the future, I'm playing with numbers at the moment to see how we can potentially deal with this in the fairest possible way, without the need for a by-election and too much work. I've got an idea but i don't think people would agree with it... damn the system and us not being able to have an alternative transferable voting system!
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    (Original post by daniel_williams)
    I've started looking at options for if this happens in the future, I'm playing with numbers at the moment to see how we can potentially deal with this in the fairest possible way, without the need for a by-election and too much work. I've got an idea but i don't think people would agree with it... damn the system and us not being able to have an alternative transferable voting system!
    So what's the idea? And why would a by-election be such a bad idea? As I've said above and elsewhere, I think it would bring activity back (at least a little bit and for a short while) and if we offered it to junior members of the house or to newbies it might bring in new faces.
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    Election fatigue.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    So what's the idea? And why would a by-election be such a bad idea? As I've said above and elsewhere, I think it would bring activity back (at least a little bit and for a short while) and if we offered it to junior members of the house or to newbies it might bring in new faces.
    Agreed, it is not just about the seats but bringing a burst of activity.
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    Running a bye election is likely to give seats the the main parties - the smaller parties who were so close to gaining an extra seat in the last election would definitely miss out.

    Potentially a re-calculation of seats would be an option whereby the results of the last election are used to recalculate all the seats again with the party who has been closed have their votes void. through this process you would re-allocate seats meaning smaller parties have a better chance of representation and larger parties will feel no effect. Playing with numbers its not possible for parties to lose seats as we don't use the ATV system. working on the last election TSR Labour, TSR Conservative and TSR Socialist would all gain an extra seat.... however if TSR Labour had one less vote they would stay at 13 seats and TSR Lib Dem would have received a 7th seat.

    I see it as being a fair way of re-distribution of seats because it can benefit all parties. in the event a party were to lose a seat, which though various calculations is possible we would potentially have to allow for a 51 seat parliament instead of the 50 we currently have.

    now to try and write this up as an amendment and get someone to take it forward.
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    (Original post by daniel_williams)
    Running a bye election is likely to give seats the the main parties - the smaller parties who were so close to gaining an extra seat in the last election would definitely miss out.

    Potentially a re-calculation of seats would be an option whereby the results of the last election are used to recalculate all the seats again with the party who has been closed have their votes void. through this process you would re-allocate seats meaning smaller parties have a better chance of representation and larger parties will feel no effect. Playing with numbers its not possible for parties to lose seats as we don't use the ATV system. working on the last election TSR Labour, TSR Conservative and TSR Socialist would all gain an extra seat.... however if TSR Labour had one less vote they would stay at 13 seats and TSR Lib Dem would have received a 7th seat.

    I see it as being a fair way of re-distribution of seats because it can benefit all parties. in the event a party were to lose a seat, which though various calculations is possible we would potentially have to allow for a 51 seat parliament instead of the 50 we currently have.

    now to try and write this up as an amendment and get someone to take it forward.
    My concern with re-calculating the seats is that while the process of redistributing seats simply uses the method we use to calculate seats after an election, I do not think it is fair to use it in these circumstances. It is giving extra seats to parties which were not earned and we cannot say what the results would have shown had there been no Centre Party.

    The electorate voted for x party to have x number of seats and I don't think any party should get extra seats unless the electorate decided so. I'm not advocating by-elections however, and you've pointed out potential concerns of going down that route. Perhaps the fairest thing to do is what I have done: nothing.
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    My concern with re-calculating the seats is that while the process of redistributing seats simply uses the method we use to calculate seats after an election. I do not think it is fair to use it in these circumstances. It is giving extra seats to parties which were not earned and we cannot say what the results would have shown had there been no Centre Party.

    The electorate voted for x party to have x number of seats and I don't think any party should get extra seats unless the electorate decided so. I'm not advocating by-elections however, and you've pointed out potential concerns of going down that route. Perhaps the fairest thing to do is what I have done: nothing.
    Anything on the Advertisement front yet?
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    My concern with re-calculating the seats is that while the process of redistributing seats simply uses the method we use to calculate seats after an election. I do not think it is fair to use it in these circumstances. It is giving extra seats to parties which were not earned and we cannot say what the results would have shown had there been no Centre Party.

    The electorate voted for x party to have x number of seats and I don't think any party should get extra seats unless the electorate decided so. I'm not advocating by-elections however, and you've pointed out potential concerns of going down that route. Perhaps the fairest thing to do is what I have done: nothing.
    Well that's the point without a party it is the equal distribution of seats that were available - by reverting back to the last election results there is the potential to se ehow things would have been were that party not active. with such short periods of time between general election (in the grand scheme of things) for a party to stand and then fall inactive in that period is unlikely - they might have well not bothered with the election process.

    I know from experience its not something that's easy to make a decision on and closing down parties and potential issues stemming from that is difficult to deal with. a by-election takes too much time and resource which could better be spent on improving the HoC and as I pointed out previously there is the main parties benefiting from it.

    At least this way would give a few extra people seats and potentially increase activity in the house because more people who want to get involved can - plus we've got a more representative vote - losing an entire party could sway votes one way or the other... were the Socialist party to fall inactive you would potentially see more right winged bills getting through, if the libertarians fell inactive you'd potentially see more left win bills passing through.

    by distribution of the seats based on the previous election results your going to maintain a balance in the house that is still representational of the valid votes. if we were to recalculate the 47 seats now available in the HoC with the past election results it would probably impact on the seats parties have and would not be representative of the votes.

    i can see your argument, but I'm looking at trying to ensure maximum activity in the house and would support something that would enable all 50 seats to be taken even if an party were to fall inactive.
 
 
 
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