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I feel really bad for people who are on any recreational drugs , i offer them my full support and hope they get well soon.
Including caffeine?
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Some substances are worth it. I enjoy weed and alcohol, hate tobacco (inc. passive smoking), and would particularly like to try mushrooms, acid, mescaline, DMT and salvia (in that order of priority). MDMA, ket, mephedrone, speed and cocaine are "meh" for me. I'd probably try them if I had the opportunity to do so, but aren't fussed if I do or don't. Avoid heroin, methamphetamine, PCP, crack and especially krokodil.

It's nothing really to do with "boasting". There have been times when I speak about weed to non-weed smokers and they sarcastically say "oh, you're so cool" as a snide remark just because they disagree with it and have no idea what the benefits of it are.
DMT is very rare but my god its incredible, nothing comes close :eek:
And you can make it at home
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Looooooooooooool your nuts. And weed is just a boredom killer
you're :albertein:
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weed is for pussies it's all about methamphetamine!!!

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I took meth recently and every time it just gives you a slight buzz then makes you feel like you're going to die. I don't know, it's dirty stuff. Weed is much better, at least you don't feel like killing yourself an hour later.
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Posted this in another similar thread.I don't actually understand why any drugs are illegal anyway.

Surely the argument for allowing people to smoke or allowing people to drink alcohol is equally as valid for somebody wanting to smoke marijuana or snort cocaine?

Besides, most of the "negatives" are a result of the fact that these drugs are illegal. For instance, if cocaine was legal, and was readily available at Tesco or Boots, then there would be testing agencies, it wouldn't be cut with all sorts of dodgy stuff, and ultimately much of the organised crime that revolves around this trade would die out.

In fact it would open up an entirely new industry and create thousands of jobs in perhaps specialised drug-retailers, drug production companies, drug crop farming, and so on. Think about all the extra tax that would be generated by VAT on drug sales, too.

The problem is that illegal drugs are stigmatised far more so than cigarettes or alcohol, especially class-A drugs, which are classified on no scientific basis whatsoever anyway.

The fact that some potentially harmful and open-to-abuse drugs are legal (tobacco, alcohol) and others illegal (cocaine, heroin, LSD, ecstasy, marijuana, etc.) is absolutely preposterous from a purely rational perspective, and this is coming from somebody rarely ever drinks alcohol and has no intention of using any of tobacco, marijuana, cocaine, etc.
"no scientific basis whatsoever" What is your backing for that? Also even if the classing of drugs doesn't work there is still a lot of evidence as to the problems they can create. Even with taxation there would be great cost to the government in setting up a regulatory body, maintaining it, the NHS, lost job productivity and law enforcement. The jobs would be unlikely to be in the UK, companies would grow them in countries where labour was cheaper I am assuming and keep manufacturing in this country to a minimum. How much do you actually know about cocaine? It's legalisation would undoubtedly lead to more mixing with alcohol and cocaethylene danger so there would be more sudden deaths. Cocaine and marijuana combined can also be deadly. Addiction rate to cocaine is far higher than for alcohol. Women who are addicted to marijuana like women who are addicted to cigarets may still smoke during pregnancy which can cause significant problems to the developing child which continue after birth. Legalisation would decrease organised drug related crime of distribution.. true but it is likely to increase other crimes. People are more likely to commit murder, rape, abuse, assault etc. whilst under the influence of drugs (alcohol is one of the most common drugs I admit), if more drug use is legalised then these numbers are likely to increase as the number of people using drugs increases/the number of drugs they use increases. If you give someone cheaper less dodgy drugs they arn't necessarily going to commit less crime. Less expensive drugs may feed peoples addiction better and therefore the side effects of paranoia and violence would be more likely to increase.

(Original post by _Shmiley)
I agree that they should be legalized, mainly to stop it being mixed with other stuff and just to try and get a hold on it and also so 15 year olds don't go having it because they think its all cool because its illegal and stuff, it would help things. I mainly have a problem with people bragging about it because they take an illegal drug :rolleyes:
This won't stop 15 year olds problem your talking about. It would still be illegal like alcohol an ciggi's to buy it under 18 so it would still have the same pull. It is actually possible that it would become easier, like kids who take alcohol from the cupboard whats to stop them taking a bit of there parents drugs? There would still be a black market for this stuff. There would be a set strength of drugs given the "all clear" which would undoubtedly feed a market for more new illegal highs being created to give people more of a "kick", when do you stop it?
The problem with any drug is in general over use. If the drugs you mentioned were legalised many more people would have the option to use them on a regular basis which would lead to severe health and social problems. Lots of people use the argument that these drugs aren't any worse than cigarets and alcohol but thats the same sort of principle as cake is bad for you so your going to have a burger. Not only would you have the risk of drink driving but also stoned driving. People also have the option to mix Marijuana and alcohol if it is legal which increases the chance of negative side effects. Second hand smoke damage to family members/people in close contact (which yes you get with cigarets but again with the cake argument). Another problem would be any changes in regulation would lead to people wishing more change to the system, legalising "harder" drugs, where would you end up drawing the line?

There are also many arguments for it's legalisation but this is just my opinion on it anyway (and I could go on...). If you think my arguments are flawed then feel free to tell me why though .

Agree with the original post, I find those type of people annoying..
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I can't stand people who boast about smoking weed, like 15 year olds who think they're suddenly cooler and better than me because they know people who can buy weed for them and they smoke it. I have no problem really with people smoking weed, but it's when they brag about it and think they're really cool about it, just really annoys me. Anyone else share this view?
Its the same with smoking and alcohol
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i don't really care tbh. it's not my body
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I hope by recreational drugs you are referring to alcohol as well?
You know what i mean
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"no scientific basis whatsoever" What is your backing for that?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...=ILCNETTXT3487

(Original post by AmberCD)
People are more likely to commit murder, rape, abuse, assault etc. whilst under the influence of drugs (alcohol is one of the most common drugs I admit), if more drug use is legalised then these numbers are likely to increase as the number of people using drugs increases/the number of drugs they use increases.

If the drugs you mentioned were legalised many more people would have the option to use them on a regular basis which would lead to severe health and social problems.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...riminalization

Due to the nature of my life and chosen career, I'm not getting personally involved with my opinion in this debate. I just saw your reply and thought you might find those links useful.
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"no scientific basis whatsoever" What is your backing for that? Also even if the classing of drugs doesn't work there is still a lot of evidence as to the problems they can create. Even with taxation there would be great cost to the government in setting up a regulatory body, maintaining it, the NHS, lost job productivity and law enforcement. The jobs would be unlikely to be in the UK, companies would grow them in countries where labour was cheaper I am assuming and keep manufacturing in this country to a minimum. How much do you actually know about cocaine? It's legalisation would undoubtedly lead to more mixing with alcohol and cocaethylene danger so there would be more sudden deaths. Cocaine and marijuana combined can also be deadly. Addiction rate to cocaine is far higher than for alcohol. Women who are addicted to marijuana like women who are addicted to cigarets may still smoke during pregnancy which can cause significant problems to the developing child which continue after birth. Legalisation would decrease organised drug related crime of distribution.. true but it is likely to increase other crimes. People are more likely to commit murder, rape, abuse, assault etc. whilst under the influence of drugs (alcohol is one of the most common drugs I admit), if more drug use is legalised then these numbers are likely to increase as the number of people using drugs increases/the number of drugs they use increases. If you give someone cheaper less dodgy drugs they arn't necessarily going to commit less crime. Less expensive drugs may feed peoples addiction better and therefore the side effects of paranoia and violence would be more likely to increase.



This won't stop 15 year olds problem your talking about. It would still be illegal like alcohol an ciggi's to buy it under 18 so it would still have the same pull. It is actually possible that it would become easier, like kids who take alcohol from the cupboard whats to stop them taking a bit of there parents drugs? There would still be a black market for this stuff. There would be a set strength of drugs given the "all clear" which would undoubtedly feed a market for more new illegal highs being created to give people more of a "kick", when do you stop it?
The problem with any drug is in general over use. If the drugs you mentioned were legalised many more people would have the option to use them on a regular basis which would lead to severe health and social problems. Lots of people use the argument that these drugs aren't any worse than cigarets and alcohol but thats the same sort of principle as cake is bad for you so your going to have a burger. Not only would you have the risk of drink driving but also stoned driving. People also have the option to mix Marijuana and alcohol if it is legal which increases the chance of negative side effects. Second hand smoke damage to family members/people in close contact (which yes you get with cigarets but again with the cake argument). Another problem would be any changes in regulation would lead to people wishing more change to the system, legalising "harder" drugs, where would you end up drawing the line?

There are also many arguments for it's legalisation but this is just my opinion on it anyway (and I could go on...). If you think my arguments are flawed then feel free to tell me why though .

Agree with the original post, I find those type of people annoying..
-Taxing the drug market (second biggest market in the world) is economically pretty good.

-Mixing cocaine and alcohol is bad, but that is a reason to stop the legalisation of marijuana?

-Marijuana is not addictive.

-Drugs do NOT make people rape and kill others.

-Drug dealers would not target kids if they were sold legally, which would actually make it harder for kids to get drugs.

-There would not be illegal drugs that people take to get a better "kick". Drugs do different things. Do caffeine and alcohol make you feel the same? just with different "kicks"?.
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(Original post by _Shmiley)
I can't stand people who boast about smoking weed, like 15 year olds who think they're suddenly cooler and better than me because they know people who can buy weed for them and they smoke it. I have no problem really with people smoking weed, but it's when they brag about it and think they're really cool about it, just really annoys me. Anyone else share this view?
I occasionally do drugs, think drugs should be legalised, etcetc, and yet agree with you. I think people who get into the habit of doing drugs regularly don't realise how they come across to other people - lazy and also quite self-righteous, like they are privy to some kind of secret to a more exciting life.

Drugs don't make your life more exciting or fulfilling - I can see why people do them, but those who do drugs should just....kinda get over it, in my opinion!



Also on a side-note, you say the people you know who smoke weed and think they're really cool are 15? Maybe they'll grow out of it? Thinking they're cool I mean.
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Legalising weed won't help anyone. An eighth won't be £20 it'll be around £30 due to taxes BUN DAT!
How did you get to the £30 figure? You can't just pull figures out of thin air and use them for your arguments without saying how you got to that figure. The price could stay the same if it were legalised and taxed for all we know.
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Legalising weed won't help anyone. An eighth won't be £20 it'll be around £30 due to taxes BUN DAT!

Andddddd...............
I've got a lot of "wasteman" friends who smoke weed everyday due to "there's nothing else to do" they really have no motivation in life, get **** grades and wouldn't care if they got a **** 9 to 5 minimum waged job
How does that differ to the current culture of "living for the weekend"? Work in your mundane job, monday to friday then 'get on it' at the weekend and binge.
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So you have a problem with bragging or bragging about drugs? People boast about more mundane things such as what they ate for breakfast or their new shoes or whatever, I don't see why bragging about drugs is any more annoying. Weed doesn't really do anything but chill you out; that's nothing to really brag about.

Although, I think people could learn a lot from certain psychedelic drugs and people who have had good experiences with them rather than listening to the constant 'I was so wasted last night etc...' stories people come out with everyday especially at uni. I love Bill Hicks quote, when he says

'there are only two drugs Western civilization tolerates: Caffeine from Monday to Friday to energize you enough to make you a productive member of society, and alcohol Friday to Monday to keep you too stupid to figure out the prison that you are living in'

The right drugs taking by the right people can open your mind.
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You know what i mean
Of course I do, that is why it's so annoying. Alcohol IS a drug! I wish people would get that into their heads and stop thinking they're some kind of holy saints because they don't touch things like cannabis yet go out on a Friday night and down about 4 double vodka mixers!
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As far as I am concerned if somebody wants to use a drug for recreation and in a responsible/sensible manner then that is their choice, who are we to tell them they can't? If somebody want's to pop a pill on a night out then it is their choice.
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I occasionally do drugs, think drugs should be legalised, etcetc, and yet agree with you. I think people who get into the habit of doing drugs regularly don't realise how they come across to other people - lazy and also quite self-righteous, like they are privy to some kind of secret to a more exciting life.

Drugs don't make your life more exciting or fulfilling - I can see why people do them, but those who do drugs should just....kinda get over it, in my opinion!



Also on a side-note, you say the people you know who smoke weed and think they're really cool are 15? Maybe they'll grow out of it? Thinking they're cool I mean.
Why should how other people view them come into the equation? If you enjoy something then do it, within reason of course.
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I feel really bad for people who are on any recreational drugs , i offer them my full support and hope they get well soon.

Edit : you can neg me all you like , but you know very well drugs like Heroin etc. are bad for you. Deal with it.
so is fast food and salt and sugar and sodium glutamate and caffeine....and prescription drugs are certaainly something to avoid if possible.
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See those plants there? If you have a garden, chances are you will have some of those growing wild in it right now. If you do, then congratulations, you are technically in possession of a Class A drug. :cool:
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I feel really bad for people who are on any recreational drugs , i offer them my full support and hope they get well soon.

Edit : you can neg me all you like , but you know very well drugs like Heroin etc. are bad for you. Deal with it.
No **** Sherlock, but heroin is just one of thousands of drugs. Not all drugs are as harmful and addictive as heroin. Some drugs are not addictive or harmful at all.

Not all drugs are created equal. Just because a substance is labelled a "drug" does not mean it should be treated as the spawn of Satan. Why is this so difficult for people to comprehend? :banghead:
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