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Yup some humans are scum, but I still believe a innocent human's life is worth much more than an animal's, but then I'm that type that enjoys eating meat, will kill a mosquito, and shock horror supports the pro-hunt movement, but then I'm evil through and through...
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(Original post by chrissy909)
I agree with the Kantian idea that human beings are separated by their ability to reason but I don't think that this gives us a superiority or a greater worthiness to live. This is not relevant to torture which is specifically done to incite pain...both animals and human beings feel pleasure and pain which in my view means that they should have equal rights as victims. A person who submits an innocent dog or human being pain and suffering should be punished equally.
Well put argument about the precise torture relevance. So much so that I do actually sort of agree with that part...
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(Original post by sophisti_kate)
Yup some humans are scum, but I still believe a innocent human's life is worth much more than an animal's, but then I'm that type that enjoys eating meat, will kill a mosquito, and shock horror supports the pro-hunt movement, but then I'm evil through and through...
I eat meat... but eating ain't the same as killing cold-bloodedly is it.
Lions eat meat etc... We're born omnivores...
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A bullet through the head is the best way to deal with people like this - they're just a drain on society and don't deserve to pass on their genes. Can't stand animal cruelty.
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He should not be killed for torturing a dog. He should not be killed even if he had tortured a person. I know it's trite, but an eye for an eye really will make us all blind.
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(Original post by Not Dead Yet)
He should not be killed for torturing a dog. He should not be killed even if he had tortured a person. I know it's trite, but an eye for an eye really will make us all blind.
Don't rip Ghandi off...

This man is sick... end of.
He deserves to be punished, Dog's deserve justice too ya know.
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Why is it that there are so many people who can get really emotional over someone abusing a dog, but are nowhere near as concerned by, say, genocides in other countries? It's as it there's some morality at work that is based on emotional effect rather than what's actually been done.
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We dislike all forms of cruelty... but more so that which is inflicted on helpless, innocent creatures...
Humans are not innocent creatures...
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Not many things upset me, but animal cruelty is one thing that really gets under my skin.

I'll dance on his grave!

(Metaphorically, of course. He's not dead yet, and I can't dance.)
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We dislike all forms of cruelty... but more so that which is inflicted on helpless, innocent creatures...
Humans are not innocent creatures...
Seems to me like another fluffy-factor based ethical system. How would you feel about a worm being tortured and killed? Kids do that all the time, are they evil? If you want an animal closer to the size of a dog for comparison, how would you feel if a large octopus was tortured?
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(Original post by Chumbaniya)
Seems to me like another fluffy-factor based ethical system. How would you feel about a worm being tortured and killed? Kids do that all the time, are they evil? If you want an animal closer to the size of a dog for comparison, how would you feel if a large octopus was tortured?
I'd feel really bad... I don't condone violence on any animals.

but dogs also have great personality, and are cuddly and warm, that counts for a lot. Humans should be appreciative of a dogs affection (man's best friend an' all, womans too) We shouldn't go about hurting them for no good reason, other than to satisfy our sick desires... like this s***head did.
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(Original post by creamcrackered)
I'd feel really bad... I don't condone violence on any animals.
Humans are animals. I'm not sure if when you say he should be killed you actually literally mean he should be executed or if it's just the emotion talking. If it's the first, then you are quite clearly a hypocrite.

(And I wasn't claiming that Ghandi line as my own...I thought it was well-known enough that I wouldn't have to directly quote it...)
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(Original post by creamcrackered)
I'd feel really bad... I don't condone violence on any animals.
Except other humans, evidently. You seem pretty happy to slaughter the man who killed the dog.

(Original post by creamcrackered)
dogs also have great personality, and are cuddly and warm, that counts for a lot.
I don't know how you can justify a moral system to yourself where warmth and cuddly-ness count. Presumably you attribute moral worth similarly to humans, so that you would feel much worse about a good-looking human dying than you would about an ugly human dying? It doesn't make any sense at all to base a moral system on some arbitrary criteria such as how cute you find the subject of the moral discussion.
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I think one of the big problems is that we think that we own this earth. Fair enough we have evolved quite well, but chuck an angry human and an angry lion together....what will happen. Even an angry dog.

At the end of the day, no matter what we think, we are not, and never will be the top of the food chain. This is why i hate it when people say we have more rights than animals, its a load of BS imo In our own egocentric little world we might think we do, but realistically its never gonna happen is it!

JMO

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(Original post by creamcrackered)
hmph... you get life for killing a human... why not the same for killing an animal... especially when you do this to it as well... :mad:

Although I wish we still had capital punishment still, I tell you if it was up to me, this guy would be first in the queue for the chop.
and that is why you are not in a position of power to do so.

where do you draw the line between human worth and animal worth?

if you had to kill an ant to save a child, would you?

if you had to kill a rat?

if you had to kill a kitten?

if you had to kill 600 kittens?

if you had to kill every kitten in the world?

if you had to kill all the kittens, all the bunnies, all the ferrets, all the dolphins and all the parrots in the world?

if you had to kill every other animal on the planet?

as you can see, its not so easy to draw the line. therefore you must just say that human lif is worth more than all animal life.

in this case, what he did was cruel, and he was punished for his cruelty (i assume, havent read the story). a harsher punishment may be worth arguing for, but not the death sentence. we dont even have the death sentence for killing humans in this country!
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I would like to see an increase on severity of punishments given to animal cruelty.
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I think one of the big problems is that we think that we own this earth. Fair enough we have evolved quite well, but chuck an angry human and an angry lion together....what will happen. Even an angry dog.

At the end of the day, no matter what we think, we are not, and never will be the top of the food chain. This is why i hate it when people say we have more rights than animals, its a load of BS imo In our own egocentric little world we might think we do, but realistically its never gonna happen is it!

JMO

Lofty.
normal food chains dont work with us.

we *are* superior to all the animals. we are intellegent and can use tools.

give me a machine gun and ill take down that lion for you.
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(Original post by Lofty)
I think one of the big problems is that we think that we own this earth. Fair enough we have evolved quite well, but chuck an angry human and an angry lion together....what will happen. Even an angry dog.

At the end of the day, no matter what we think, we are not, and never will be the top of the food chain. This is why i hate it when people say we have more rights than animals, its a load of BS imo In our own egocentric little world we might think we do, but realistically its never gonna happen is it!

JMO

Lofty.
Have you ever stopped to listen to the rational explanations of people who believe the rights of humans should come above the rights of other animals? Granted, its normally the religious types who believe God made humans superior who expound this view, but there are some very sound arguments for human moral superiority. I won't go into them here as it's neither the right topic or section of the forum.
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it's not all black and white. it's not because i don't think it's more ok to torture humans than animals that i don't value and respect animal life. and some humans ARE innocent (specially children), at least in a not deserving a horrible death sort of way.

i love animals and would never hurt them. I don't consider myself as superior to them either. But c'mon, saying stuff like i'd kill a child to save a kitten is wack.
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I think some of you are a bit picky here...

You give me stupid choice scenarios where I have to decide what is and isn't tortured.
Now animals vary... and killing an ant over a child ain't difficult seeing as there's trillions of ants out there...
There's obviously some pecking order to animals... and I guess what you deem higher that others is subjective... but on this matter it is irrelevant to submit such scenarios.
A dog is of quite similar character to humans. They presumably feel pain and some even show signs of guilt when they do things wrong, but, you all go on how humans are all high and mighty, then don't you think the guy in question shoulda known what was right to do, and what wasn't...
He had no reason to kill that poor, defenseless and innocent dog, and you all make it sound like the dog being killed ain't wrong.

Well... if that's how you feel I wonder if any of you would care to be subjected to the three days of misery it was subjected to... no of course you wouldn't. But this dog didn't even have a say in the matter.
This guy is scum, what he did is was wrong, and I don't think that is disputable...
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