Poll: Blair?
I like him. (30)
34.48%
I don't like him. (51)
58.62%
I have no opinion of him. (6)
6.9%
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(Original post by Schmokie Dragon)
Both Blair and Brown are corrupt, manipulative *******s who are destroying this nation. And my laptop battery is about to die so I'm not going to elaborate.
I think you're talking about politicians in general

In any case they're better than Cameron. Much better.
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How so? They have been tried, tested and failed. Cameron is fresh CONSERVATIVE meat! Yummy :p:

But he is worrying me... seems a bit co-operative with Blair! And a bit of a Blairite.... damn it Mrs T, why have you forsaken us!!?
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I like him as a human being. He seems like a nice guy and has some pretty good personality traits.

As a politician, however, I vastly disagree with him on a number of key points. Most of all identity cards.
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(Original post by HagerVor)
not enough of a liberatarian. Too authoritarian - especially regarding the terror laws. lets not talk about the wasted billions on the apache helicopters that have just finished being built. Or the money poured into warfare. Or the fact he's bush's lap dog.
Okaaaaaay then.

Either you're taking the piss (really badly), or you accidentally joined the TSR Socialist Society when you really meant to join the Libertarians??! I'd say it's an easy mistake, but it really isn't, at all.
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Okaaaaaay then.

Either you're taking the piss (really badly), or you accidentally joined the TSR Socialist Society when you really meant to join the Libertarians??! I'd say it's an easy mistake, but it really isn't, at all.
theres more than one type of socialism. Socialism can take on many formats. It can be both liberal and authoratarian in attitudes..
I don't think i should really be with the libertarians when i oppose the free market..
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(Original post by HagerVor)
theres more than one type of socialism. Socialism can take on many formats. It can be both liberal and authoratarian in attitudes..
I don't think i should really be with the libertarians when i oppose the free market..
Oh, so this is what the PM was about.

I don't think you understand how nutty it seems when a 'socialist' says the PM is "not enough of a liberatarian".

If you oppose the free market then you are definitely NOT a libertarian, you're not even close. You couldn't even describe youself as a classic liberal.
The very bed rock of all of our beliefs, the foundations are to be found in the free market, you simply can not take that away and call yourself a libertarian or even pretend to support libertarianism at all.
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*agrees*

Being a libertarian is mutualy exclusive to socialism. Fact.
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(Original post by futureaussiecto)
exactly.

I cannot see how there is much debate as to conservatives vs labour

Labour represent those who CANNOT be bothered to work

Conservatives represent those who CAN be bothered

Labour believe that everyone should be equal, that means someone that didnt want to learn at school should be considered the same as someone that did want to learn, this is stupid!
Clearly it is a tad more complicated, but that about sums it up :p:
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I can't wait for Tony to leave. I have a bet with somebody that it will be before christmas. And as mentioned, the longer Britain gets a taste of the hard-line , far left agenda of Mr Brown, the more votes that go to the opposition. Perfect really.
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(Original post by futureaussiecto)
exactly.

I cannot see how there is much debate as to conservatives vs labour

Labour represent those who CANNOT be bothered to work

Conservatives represent those who CAN be bothered

Labour believe that everyone should be equal, that means someone that didnt want to learn at school should be considered the same as someone that did want to learn, this is stupid!
Total B****cks. It's just as easy (and ridiculous) to say that Labour represents those who have to work, and the Conservatives those who do not.
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Arn't generalisations fun :p:
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Sorry if i'm hijacking this thread but what are people's opinions on Blair's recent backing of Bush's stance on Iran? This is 'not to rule out a military option'. Blair said not supporting such an option would seem like 'weakness' at a bad time. I read this in today's Independant and it angered me. I was willing to forgive him for being Bush's lacky into Iraq but not to follow on in his crazy trail.

It also worries me that Bush may be aiming to complete his 'axis of evil':
Iraq.
Iran.
North Korea.
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(Original post by Skuu)
Sorry if i'm hijacking this thread but what are people's opinions on Blair's recent backing of Bush's stance on Iran? This is 'not to rule out a military option'. Blair said not supporting such an option would seem like 'weakness' at a bad time. I read this in today's Independant and it angered me. I was willing to forgive him for being Bush's lacky into Iraq but not to follow on in his crazy trail.

It also worries me that Bush may be aiming to complete his 'axis of evil':
Iraq.
Iran.
North Korea.
Not only are our resources tight right now (what with us having troops in every country in the ME), but Iran is a much larger, more powerful country, you simply wouldn't be able to stroll in and start throwing bombs around like we did in Iraq.

If GB really did want to work around his 'axis of evil', then he's done it in the completely wrong order- attacking the most vulnerable countries first has allowed powerful countries like Iran to mobilise and 'prepare for the worst'.

As much as I despise Tony Blair, I think they will be looking for a diplomatic resolution to this.
Saying that, it looks like they have a lot more International support this time, so who knows.


And congrats Matt, I think you've officially got the fastest rep ever on TSR! :eek: (bar babypig, of course :p: )
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(Original post by Beekeeper)
Not only are our resources tight right now (what with us having troops in every country in the ME), but Iran is a much larger, more powerful country, you simply wouldn't be able to stroll in and start throwing bombs around like we did in Iraq.

If GB really did want to work around his 'axis of evil', then he's done it in the completely wrong order- attacking the most vulnerable countries first has allowed powerful countries like Iran to mobilise and 'prepare for the worst'.

As much as I despise Tony Blair, I think they will be looking for a diplomatic resolution to this.
Saying that, it looks like they have a lot more International support this time, so who knows.


And congrats Matt, I think you've officially got the fastest rep ever on TSR! :eek: (bar babypig, of course :p: )
He's my rival.
I'm sure we will look for a diplomatic solution... first. But Blair has declared allegiance with the US' strategy. That can't be good.
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