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    (Original post by Amon.)
    bag + sharp stick = litter picking tool.
    And there are enough of those jobs to go around are there? 'Contributing' isn't as simple as that. You can't just start picking up litter and then go and demand a paycheck from the local council. You have to be hired, it's how capitalism works.

    Why don't you go and offer some tramps some of your money in exchange for them picking litter up? You seem quite willing to heamoragge the tax coffers in order to fund such a scheme.
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    (Original post by Zoecb)
    Very very much so! I love that medieval roadie! :tsr2:
    Now please tell me you're coming to Bristol this year lol
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    (Original post by Iago)
    And there are enough of those jobs to go around are there? 'Contributing' isn't as simple as that. You can't just start picking up litter and then go and demand a paycheck from the local council. You have to be hired, it's how capitalism works.

    Why don't you go and offer some tramps some of your money in exchange for them picking litter up? You seem quite willing to heamoragge the tax coffers in order to fund such a scheme.
    no, they do it for free. They get free food from people (soup kitchens, homeless shelters) so its the least they can do.


    and if it was my money - they would be doing the scientific experiments.
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    Nope sorry.

    Anyway, I think if this country can provide homes for immigrants, they can give some to homeless people too. Why the double standard? It's rediculous.
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    and if it was my money - they would be doing the scientific experiments.
    Be careful what you wish for.
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    why should they be "supported" if they are not willing to contribute?
    Because all humans are equal, and deserve to be supported. Just because a person fails to reach the standards society demands of him/her, doesn't mean they aren't worthy enough to be given a helping hand. Whats more, look at the values society tells us to have, and tell me honestly you believe that to be natural....society is an illusion, my friend.

    And dont confuse 'not contributing' to "rinsing" or 'scamming'. Sure, some will do that, but some are genuninely in need of help, and simply saying "they're all bad, lets forget about them" is not a solution.

    Empathy - Just think for a second what it would be like to be a hobo, and get denied help simply because of who you are. How would you feel?....If you thought about that honestly, you would see why i said everyone deserves to be helped.
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    (Original post by SocialSuicide)
    Because all humans are equal, and deserve to be supported. Just because a person fails to reach the standards society demands of him/her, doesn't mean they aren't worthy enough to be given a helping hand. Whats more, look at the values society tells us to have, and tell me honestly you believe that to be natural....society is an illusion, my friend.

    And dont confuse 'not contributing' to "rinsing" or 'scamming'. Sure, some will do that, but some are genuninely in need of help, and simply saying "they're all bad, lets forget about them" is not a solution.

    Empathy - Just think for a second what it would be like to be a hobo, and get denied help simply because of who you are. How would you feel?....If you thought about that honestly, you would see why i said everyone deserves to be helped.
    but you said "Why should they contribute to society if they dont want to?" Why should society should support people who don't want to do anything? Some people have to do the work.

    no, people are not equal: man who works to pay for family is not equal to a man who "does not want to contribute to society".

    Whats more, look at the values society tells us to have, and tell me honestly you believe that to be natural....society is an illusion, my friend.
    In the past it was natural for people to go out to support there family, otherwise they would die. And now this is still natural.

    survival of the best. :yy:
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    In the past it was natural for people to go out to support there family, otherwise they would die. And now it should be the same.

    survival of the best. :yy:
    Hahaha....

    So your saying having qualifications and being sucessful in society (aka supporting your family) is survival of the best?

    Tell me, how will any of that help you should society collapse? Survivial of the best would change completely, from those with money and positions of power, to those who have physical power over others.

    Bill Gates has lots of money and can feed his family, but is not surviving material.

    The whole system of work (master and slave) has been with us since the Roman Empire. It is not natural, and benefits a sole few....you mite think having a TV and car are benefits of society, but only because you've been conditioned to think that, and that life is about materialism.


    It has nothing to do with survival of the fit, at present. It all depends on how much power and money you have, two qualities that would disappaer should society collapse...
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    (Original post by SocialSuicide)
    Hahaha....

    So your saying having qualifications and being sucessful in society (aka supporting your family) is survival of the best?

    Tell me, how will any of that help you should society collapse? Survivial of the best would change completely, from those with money and positions of power, to those who have physical power over others.

    Bill Gates has lots of money and can feed his family, but is not surviving material.

    The whole system of work (master and slave) has been with us since the Roman Empire. It is not natural, and benefits a sole few....you mite think having a TV and car are benefits of society, but only because you've been conditioned to think that, and that life is about materialism.


    It has nothing to do with survival of the fit, at present. It all depends on how much power and money you have, two qualities that would disappaer should society collapse...
    no. A man could work in a supermarket and still support his family. But a tramp who cannot be bothered is nothing in my view.

    Thats stupid: you might well say "what if a meteorite hit"? obviously things would change.



    but you said "Why should they contribute to society if they dont want to?" Why should society should support people who don't want to do anything? Some people have to do the work.
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    but you said "Why should they contribute to society if they dont want to?" Why should society should support people who don't want to do anything? Some people have to do the work.
    Because we are all the same, aka human, and why should someone not deserve to have love/support, just because they are of "no use" to society.

    And just because you mite work in society, does not make you better or higher than homeless people. Society is something we have created, it is not natural.

    Im sure homeless people would work for money if they could...but given that its hard enough for teenagers to get jobs, i really doubt they will be offered anything.

    Just because they cant get a job, doesnt automatically mean they dont want to work. But essentially, we are all in this together. Helping others, or helping yourself....which is more important?
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    Why don't we just auction off all the Bums? Or have them shipped to some Island and leave them to beg from the local cannibals.
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    (Original post by SocialSuicide)
    Because we are all the same, aka human, and why should someone not deserve to have love/support, just because they are of "no use" to society.
    Because they are no use.

    (Original post by SocialSuicide)
    And just because you mite work in society, does not make you better or higher than homeless people. Society is something we have created, it is not natural.

    Im sure homeless people would work for money if they could...but given that its hard enough for teenagers to get jobs, i really doubt they will be offered anything.

    Just because they cant get a job, doesnt automatically mean they dont want to work. But essentially, we are all in this together. Helping others, or helping yourself....which is more important?

    You have changed what you said now from:
    "Why should they contribute to society if they dont want to?"

    to:
    "Im sure homeless people would work for money if they could"
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    (Original post by SocialSuicide)
    Because we are all the same, aka human, and why should someone not deserve to have love/support, just because they are of "no use" to society.

    And just because you mite work in society, does not make you better or higher than homeless people. Society is something we have created, it is not natural.
    Im sure homeless people would work for money if they could...but given that its hard enough for teenagers to get jobs, i really doubt they will be offered anything.

    Just because they cant get a job, doesnt automatically mean they dont want to work. But essentially, we are all in this together. Helping others, or helping yourself....which is more important?
    Of course society is natural! Humans are social creatures. Also, look at ants - they live and work in a society. Sheep graze together. A school of fish swim together. It's about as natural as you can get.
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    (Original post by Amon.)
    no. A man could work in a supermarket and still support his family. But a tramp who cannot be bothered is nothing in my view.
    What???

    You really think homeless people don't have jobs because they don't WANT them? Can you imagina applying for a job if you don't have a home? How do you get a CV, and look presentable? etc.
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    (Original post by Dschingis)
    Of course society is natural! Humans are social creatures. Also, look at ants - they live and work in a society. Sheep graze together. A school of fish swim together. It's about as natural as you can get.
    Ah, but whats your definition of society?

    Do ants have McDonalds, Porno movies or cars?....No. They are all things we have created, aka, not natural.

    Society is what you said, living together;

    But do we humans live together? No. We live in seperate houses, in nice little rows like dormatories, and barely even know the people who live down our own streets. We are more seperate now than we have ever been.

    Whats more, we do not function like a true society. A true society helps everyone out, making everyone equal and happy. Do we do that? Nope. We couldn't care less about people in Africa or hobos on our streets....

    So yes, society is natural, but the society we have is niether natural, nor is it actually a society.
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    (Original post by Zoecb)
    What???

    You really think homeless people don't have jobs because they don't WANT them? Can you imagina applying for a job if you don't have a home? How do you get a CV, and look presentable? etc.
    did you read the rest of my post? It was socialsuicide who said that maybe they don't want them:

    "Why should they contribute to society if they dont want to?"
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    What on Earth gave you the idea that homeless people are all willing dropouts? You think that a sane person would suffer being ignored by 99% of people and being looked down upon simply for the sake of being lazy? I think not.
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    (Original post by SocialSuicide)
    Ah, but whats your definition of society?

    Do ants have McDonalds, Porno movies or cars?....No. They are all things we have created, aka, not natural.

    Society is what you said, living together;

    But do we humans live together? No. We live in seperate houses, in nice little rows like dormatories, and barely even know the people who live down our own streets. We are more seperate now than we have ever been.

    Whats more, we do not function like a true society. A true society helps everyone out, making everyone equal and happy. Do we do that? Nope. We couldn't care less about people in Africa or hobos on our streets....

    So yes, society is natural, but the society we have is niether natural, nor is it actually a society.
    Your family are your closest contacts in society. Then your friends. That's how you interact. You live and interact with lots of people in society, be it from your mother, your father, to the shopkeeper down the road. It's the UK (as shown by Kate Fox in "Watching the English") that has a "keep to ourselves" complex - I think this is what you're basing your view of society on. Go to, for example, Spain, and you'll find society there - gossip, people meeting up, etc. That is real society. And as to your belief that we all sit in their homes looking glum - what are pubs for, clubs for? Certainly not solitude.

    I give you a quote from Lynne Truss: "Saying that society is just a heap of people with no connection is saying that a house isn't a house, it's just a heap of bricks and mortar" (that may not be perfectly quoted, but I think I've captured the general gist).

    And your "true" society is unfortunately idealised, I'm sorry. There is and has never been, any society in which all members are completey dedicated to helping others - it's utopia, and unrealistic. What you're saying that "because we don't care about everybody else, we're not a society". Which isn't true.
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    A wise man once said:

    "There are homeless people everywhere.
    This homeless guy asked me for money the other day.
    I was about to give it to him and then I thought he was going to use it on drugs or alcohol.
    And then I thought, that's what I'm going to use it on.
    Why am I judging this poor *******.
    People love to judge homeless guys. Like if you give them money they're just going to waste it.
    Well, he lives in a box, what do you want him to do? Save it up and buy a wall unit?
    Take a little run to the store for a throw rug and a CD rack? He's homeless.
    I walked behind this guy the other day.
    A homeless guy asked him for money.
    He looks right at the homeless guy and says why don't you go get a job you bum.
    People always say that to homeless guys like it is so easy.
    This homeless guy was wearing his underwear outside his pants.
    Outside his pants. I'm guessing his resume isn't all up to date.
    I'm predicting some problems during the interview process.
    I'm pretty sure even McDonalds has a "underwear goes inside the pants" policy.
    Not that they enforce it really strictly, but technically I'm sure it is on the books."
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    What a charming thread. :rolleyes:
 
 
 
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