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And even then, I wouldn't count children as 'men'.
I was refering to the "they shall not teach bit" as opposed to the "authority over men" bit.
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1 Timothy 2 does indeed start out talking about worship in church but seems to move away from this and start talking about women in general from verse 9 onwards. Talking about the way they should dress, how they should be modest. etc. in addition to not being allowed to teach (unqualified)


The reason paul gives is that the woman was decieved in the garden of eden not Adam.

Since the garden of eden never existed this seems to be a little weak to base the exclusion of women on. (Oh look we are back to the evolution thing again. )
Paul wrote Timothy I to encourage him in his responsibility for overseeing the work of the Ephesian church and possibly the other churches in the province of Asia. In essence, 1 Timothy is a leadership manual for church organization, administration, and the bahaviour of the faithful within the church.

I don't see any reason to assume that Paul diverted from the aim of this letter for 4 verses to dictate the conduct of wimen outside of the worshipping community ie "generally" Paul may well have felt this way but you are cherry picking nevertheless.
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Paul wrote Timothy I to encourage him in his responsibility for overseeing the work of the Ephesian church and possibly the other churches in the province of Asia. In essence, 1 Timothy is a leadership manual for church organization, administration, and the bahaviour of the faithful within the church.

I don't see any reason to assume that Paul diverted from the aim of this letter for 4 verses to dictate the conduct of wimen outside of the worshipping community ie "generally" Paul may well have felt this way but you are cherry picking nevertheless.
The letter has two functions warning against false teachings and as you said church administration, the letter of encouragement is the second letter. I see your point though.

My second point about the intrinsic weakness of the argument for discrimination stands.
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