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TSR MHoC General Election March 2013 watch

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    TSR Conservative and Unionist Party
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    TSR Green Party
    77
    12.66%
    TSR Labour Party
    131
    21.55%
    TSR Liberal Party
    53
    8.72%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    46
    7.57%
    TSR Socialist Party
    69
    11.35%
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    (Original post by Superunknown17)
    Glory to The Socialist Party, for a true, left-wing party who will follow through on their promises. VOTE SOCIALIST.

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    How do you intend to carry out your drugs policy? The only way you can make the cannabis laws more lenient than they are after the Narcotics Act 2011 (TSR Libertarian) is to sell it to drunks or children.
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    Where's the communist party?
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    (Original post by beepbeeprichie)
    Where's the communist party?
    They prefer the term socialist, apparently.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Hilarious tehFrance.
    Thank you
    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    How would you fund your increase in military spending?
    By fudging the numbers.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Policy question time. How much more liberal would you like cannabis laws to be given that the Libertarian party's Narcotics Bill 2011 (B397 for reference) made cannabis and other narcotics legal.

    Is it the restriction to pharmacies, the restrictions on selling to intoxicated persons or the restriction on selling to under 18s you wish to get rid of?

    The bill in question also established rehabilitation services in section 4, which is below for reference:

    4 Rehabilitation Services
    (1) There shall be a dedicated, 24 hour, telephone service and website with advice on cessation of narcotics usage.
    (2) This shall provide support and materials to those trying to cease the use of narcotics.
    (3) Where drug replacement therapy is appropriate, it shall be available on prescription.

    (Section 4, B397: Narcotics Bill 2011, TSR Libertarian Party)

    What does your party feel is missing?
    We do currently have an early draft of a drugs bill in the sub-forum which will be released at some point next term. We're currently considering a wide range of policies to encourage the safe and responsible taking of drugs, so I can't go into anything hugely specific at the present time, and what I do say is by no means guaranteed to become official policy. One thing which I think should be done to liberalise cannabis is to allow its sale and use on the same terms as tobacco: legal to smoke in public, so long as you are not inside e.g. a pub. Additionally, I would like to see the licensing of cafes to sell and become a place to use drugs evaluated as low-risk - this would allow those who smoke cannabis to do so in a safe environment where usage is monitored and advice at-hand, instead of the current situation where it can only be sold at pharmacies and cannot be taken in public, effectively prohibiting its consumption outside the home.

    In terms of re-rehabilitation, one idea currently on the table is to set up Drug Treatment Clinics, operating through both self-referral or from referral from your GP. These would have full powers, including that of taking patients into full-time custody in the most extreme cases. There are several advantages to this. Firstly, if clinics have a high-street presence, then people psychologically are far more likely to think of using them than an internet/phone-based service (especially if those are as rubbish and full of propaganda as stuff like FRANK at the moment). The in-house support can provide intensive full-time care to quickly and efficiently move the patient back to independence, rather than going through years of drug reliance and taking far more from the state. They can also provide support in other related areas such as mental health, to provide a synaptic approach to the patient's well being. Quite frankly, when such dangerous substances are legal, we feel it is irresponsible for the state to provide only such as basic level of care in terms of prevention and re-rehabilitation as it is currently doing, and would seek to remedy this to ensure both liberty and health can be protected.
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    (Original post by CLS94)
    We do currently have an early draft of a drugs bill in the sub-forum which will be released at some point next term. We're currently considering a wide range of policies to encourage the safe and responsible taking of drugs, so I can't go into anything hugely specific at the present time, and what I do say is by no means guaranteed to become official policy. One thing which I think should be done to liberalise cannabis is to allow its sale and use on the same terms as tobacco: legal to smoke in public, so long as you are not inside e.g. a pub. Additionally, I would like to see the licensing of cafes to sell and become a place to use drugs evaluated as low-risk - this would allow those who smoke cannabis to do so in a safe environment where usage is monitored and advice at-hand, instead of the current situation where it can only be sold at pharmacies and cannot be taken in public, effectively prohibiting its consumption outside the home.

    In terms of re-rehabilitation, one idea currently on the table is to set up Drug Treatment Clinics, operating through both self-referral or from referral from your GP. These would have full powers, including that of taking patients into full-time custody in the most extreme cases. There are several advantages to this. Firstly, if clinics have a high-street presence, then people psychologically are far more likely to think of using them than an internet/phone-based service (especially if those are as rubbish and full of propaganda as stuff like FRANK at the moment). The in-house support can provide intensive full-time care to quickly and efficiently move the patient back to independence, rather than going through years of drug reliance and taking far more from the state. They can also provide support in other related areas such as mental health, to provide a synaptic approach to the patient's well being. Quite frankly, when such dangerous substances are legal, we feel it is irresponsible for the state to provide only such as basic level of care in terms of prevention and re-rehabilitation as it is currently doing, and would seek to remedy this to ensure both liberty and health can be protected.
    The issue with cannabis and other inhaled drugs being smoked outside is simple. If a person walks down a street filled with pubs, outside which are people smoking cannabis, and then proceeds to drive a car, they will be driving, to some extent, under the influence of drugs. This makes drug driving laws unenforceable, as they can simply claim to have walked past a cannabis cafe on their way home.

    As to cannabis cafes, they could not be countenanced while a smoking ban remained in force, as all the arguments with regards to staff safety that apply in the case of cigarette smoke apply just as strongly with cannabis smoke. Furthermore, how can a delivery driver make deliveries to a cannabis cafe, a building by its nature filled with cannabis smoke, and then drive a HGV without risking the safety of other road users? How would staff get home safely, unless they lived within walking distance?

    While I would generally support liberalisations, this seems to be a step too far.
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    Good luck to all parties involved. I'm hoping for a good return for the Greens and one for my friend tehFrance for such a thoroughly researched manifesto.
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    Libertarians Shall prevail.
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    If you support liberal values, such as improving our civil liberties or clamping down on legal loan sharks - you can now express your voice!

    The TSR general election is currently underway, and the Liberal Party would be grateful for your vote!

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    A rather dull manifesto from the Tories, barely any populist right-wing red meat in it. Also interesting to see that the Libertarians' manifesto is basically just a hark back to their former grandeur, and a reactionary response to our agenda during the last term. As for Labour and the Greens, I like the manifestos, even though they're not quite "sickeningly socialist" enough for my own personal taste. It's nice we have decent common ground.

    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Policy question time. How much more liberal would you like cannabis laws to be given that the Libertarian party's Narcotics Bill 2011 (B397 for reference) made cannabis and other narcotics legal.

    Is it the restriction to pharmacies, the restrictions on selling to intoxicated persons or the restriction on selling to under 18s you wish to get rid of?

    The bill in question also established rehabilitation services in section 4, which is below for reference:

    4 Rehabilitation Services
    (1) There shall be a dedicated, 24 hour, telephone service and website with advice on cessation of narcotics usage.
    (2) This shall provide support and materials to those trying to cease the use of narcotics.
    (3) Where drug replacement therapy is appropriate, it shall be available on prescription.

    (Section 4, B397: Narcotics Bill 2011, TSR Libertarian Party)

    What does your party feel is missing?
    On cannabis, we would like to make it legal for local authorities to grant licenses for its sale to local businesses so as to allow some areas to emulate the cannabis cafe culture of Amsterdam. Why should people have to go into pharmacies to buy pot? Doesn't make sense to me. It's a product that comes in so many different varieties, it would be extremely unlikely that a pharmacy would be able to provide all of the different strains.

    As for the rehabilitation section of the Narcotics Act 2011, it's laughable. A phone line alone is not going to make any difference to drug users trying to escape addiction, and replacement therapy was already legal.

    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    The issue with cannabis and other inhaled drugs being smoked outside is simple. If a person walks down a street filled with pubs, outside which are people smoking cannabis, and then proceeds to drive a car, they will be driving, to some extent, under the influence of drugs. This makes drug driving laws unenforceable, as they can simply claim to have walked past a cannabis cafe on their way home.

    As to cannabis cafes, they could not be countenanced while a smoking ban remained in force, as all the arguments with regards to staff safety that apply in the case of cigarette smoke apply just as strongly with cannabis smoke. Furthermore, how can a delivery driver make deliveries to a cannabis cafe, a building by its nature filled with cannabis smoke, and then drive a HGV without risking the safety of other road users? How would staff get home safely, unless they lived within walking distance?

    While I would generally support liberalisations, this seems to be a step too far.
    The bill we have in the sub-forum includes an exemption from the smoking ban for such cafes. Also, as local authorities will have the ultimate say over the licensing of such businesses, if they believe that their existence is causing a nuisance then they can simply close them.

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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    What will your comprehensive rehabilitation service include and will this apply to all drugs not just legal ones? Would the private sector be allowed to make a profit on the sale of cannabis and other harmful drugs?
    CLS has already answered the part concerning rehab centres. Yes, it will apply to all drugs.

    Under current TSR Law, private sector pharmaceutical corporations are allowed to sell cannabis for profit in pharmacies. Whilst we don't want to stop this, we believe that legalising cannabis cafes will make the business more of a cottage industry - as it is in Amsterdam. And cannabis isn't a harmful drug.


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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I am concerned that the children in the Libertarian's manifesto photo are not eating their Greens.
    I'll be sorry to see you go :sad:

    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    Good luck!

    Now the long wait for the results. :cry2:
    At least it's no longer about 3 that it was beforehand

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    A sickeningly socialist manifesto from the Greens.
    And a sneaky slice of sibilance from you. :mmm:

    (Original post by Deyesy)
    Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are all much a muchness.
    The TSR parties are different to their RL counterparts :fyi:

    And there are no TSR Lib Dems either

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    I'm intrigued to see a lot of parties opposing privatisation. Can I ask why when privatisation brings benefits such as increased efficiency, increased competition and a lack of political interference?

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    (Original post by Krollo)
    I'm intrigued to see a lot of parties opposing privatisation. Can I ask why when privatisation brings benefits such as increased efficiency, increased competition and a lack of political interference?

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    Because statism.
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    I spy with my little eye something beginning with 'b' and 's' in the Libertarian photo- I think one of the adults may be eating Brussels Sprouts, so definitely not UKIP supporters then.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I spy with my little eye something beginning with 'b' and 's' in the Libertarian photo- I think one of the adults may be eating Brussels Sprouts, so definitely not UKIP supporters then.
    both leave a bitter taste in the mouth....
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Energy Bull****.
    What moronic crap, you will force energy companies to lower their costs? so they are going to run at a loss are they? never going to happen, you put less thought into that than I did when I took my morning crap

    Vote tehFrance to fight against such liberal bull****, tehFrance a friend of the wealthy

    tehFrance's vote is for sale.
    Question Everything! :fuhrer:
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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    The TSR parties are different to their RL counterparts :fyi:

    And there are no TSR Lib Dems either

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    The rebrand worked a treat then :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Cannabis isn't a harmful drug.
    Maybe for you it isn't harmful but to us intelligent people whom have the brain cells to support sensible policies, we'd find it harmful to our mental health and I quite like my mind thank you.

    A Vote for tehFrance is a Vote for Intelligence!
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