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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Hence under communism/socialism giving working people the true fruits of their labour, not handing it to some wealthy capitalist who decides what pittance to return.
    No, don't hand it to a capitalist. They are far to nearly responsible for the production. Give it to the government, so that the people can be told they have it while never seeing it again.
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    (Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
    Hence under communism/socialism giving working people the true fruits of their labour, not handing it to some wealthy capitalist who decides what pittance to return.
    I'm curious as to how these workers would create a business to get a job owning the company anyway given that there will be no capitalist throwing his money in the business to make his millions.

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    I'm trying to work on what draws you to such vastly different parties. The greens and libertarians are polar opposites whilst the liberals are just a bunch of Nick Clegg loving 'centrists'
    The liberals to be fair are left of the front bench although still close enough that i'd work with them.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    The liberals are just a bunch of Nick Clegg loving 'centrists'
    Not sure we're that big on Clegg really. He's an alright guy but did lie to thousands of students.
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    I thought you wanted an invite to my house party which would have consisted me, packet of crisps and a pot noodle.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Support for death penalty always strikes me as a sign of someone who has forgotten that the state is made up of people no less fallible than the electorate. The idea that could allow a group of people who include homeopathy supporters and Diane Abbot to control the reins of a judiciary with power of life and death is deeply troubling to me.
    Yes well to be honest it's something i'd be prepared to veto or resign were a bill ever put to the party on the issue. I respect the rights of the members to hold such views but my job is to get us into government and i think such a policy would destroy our credibility as a capitalist but socially moderate party that can attract hard-line Euro-skeptics, libertarians and Orange Bookers.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    I thought you wanted an invite to my house party which would have consisted me, packet of crisps and a pot noodle.
    Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
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    I've put up a thread to discuss a TSR Republican Party formation if anyone wants to give it a gander and give me their thoughts.

    There should be a more right wing heavy hitter I think. To balance out the socialist and give an extra dimension to debates.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Not sure we're that big on Clegg really. He's an alright guy but did lie to thousands of students.
    What i was getting at, is that you're orange bookers. Not trying to imply anything towards tuition fees, though as it has come up, being in favour of liberal economics, and self identifying yourself as centre right, one would assume you agree with his decision in the end. No?
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    What i was getting at, is that you're orange bookers. Not trying to imply anything towards tuition fees, though as it has come up, being in favour of liberal economics, and self identifying yourself as centre right, one would assume you agree with his decision in the end. No?
    I would consider myself a loose Orange Booker, but I vehemently opposed Clegg's U-turn in 2010 and still oppose it now. When you have made a binding pledge to vote no, ideology shouldn't come into it.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    I would consider myself a loose Orange Booker, but I vehemently opposed Clegg's U-turn in 2010 and still oppose it now. When you have made a binding pledge to vote no, ideology shouldn't come into it.
    But do you agree with that ideology? Where do you (and the party) stand on tuition fees? Would you have made that pledge?
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Out of interest, what sort of policies would you like to see? We're always open to new ideas.
    Lower tuition fees! with this being the student room, i think people can agree with me here
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    (Original post by Jacob :))

    Not the Socialist though. Sorry. I just hate communists so much...
    :yawn:
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm curious as to how these workers would create a business to get a job owning the company anyway given that there will be no capitalist throwing his money in the business to make his millions.
    Imagine a world without money, and try to avoid it blowing your narrow mind.
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    (Original post by Tim Mc.)
    Lower tuition fees! with this being the student room, i think people can agree with me here
    How should we pay for that?
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Imagine a world without money, and try to avoid it blowing your narrow mind.
    stop posting things I want to rep you for it keeps telling me to rep others first haha!
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    No, don't hand it to a capitalist. They are far to nearly responsible for the production. Give it to the government, so that the people can be told they have it while never seeing it again.
    You realise, I hope, that the aim of communism and, indeed, socialism is the abolition of bourgeois structures of government? Therefore what I said stands without your ill-informed and quite incorrect spin on it.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm curious as to how these workers would create a business to get a job owning the company anyway given that there will be no capitalist throwing his money in the business to make his millions.
    Ever bought anything from the Co-op? Do you know anything about the history of the Co-operative movement at all? In short, it's perfectly feasible for workers to join together with the little that each of them has to produce a viable organisation that benefits them all. Who needs capitalism?
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    It's so hard! :eek:
    I'd just like to complement what Chris said by adding that the Libertarians are almost dead :holmes:

    The Greens are quite left-of-centre economically, us Liberals are fairly centrist and the Libers are right-of-centre economically.

    (Original post by paperclip)
    I'm trying to work on what draws you to such vastly different parties. The greens and libertarians are polar opposites whilst the liberals are just a bunch of Nick Clegg loving 'centrists'
    Oi, I'm not an orange booker, nor do I like Clegg

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    Do you like trees and getting high? Only the Greens can deliver. Otherwise, you want me to 'sell' you my party with lots of interesting adjectives? OK. The Greens are a relatively new MHOC party and probably the party of most potential. We identify as environmentalist, liberal, secular, non interventionist and pragmatic. We are by no means the third party of a Labour/Socialist lattice, we have a greater focus on duty to people, animals and therefore the instrumental value of the planet. As a result, we should work in an intergovernmental fashion, internationally, because acting with our neighbours is a far more effective method of achieving social change and the enshrining of basic laws and human rights. We are also certainly not the 'Liberals' who have abandoned any trace of Social Democracy instead choosing to attack the incredibly vital role of the state as an instrument to maximising the individuals freedom by empowering the collective. By this, I mean a living wage, a fair and transparent economy and a society that emphasises liberty alongside responsibility. So, you should vote Green. The bottom line is, we care. We're less bothered about winning votes and selling our souls, but generating debate across the house. We're a developing party, and every new member has the chance to shine. Take our leadership for example, miser is a newer Green member but has already risen to party leader, this speaks for itself on self fulfilment and internal democracy. Peace.
 
 
 
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