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    (Original post by [email protected])
    Oh right...na I dont like them. They changed everything...cutting benefits off, increasing prices etc etc... Best stick to Labour
    Exactly, nasty people they are calling us names like communists. I'm hurt
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Exactly, nasty people they are calling us names like communists. I'm hurt
    I only call you communists around election time, the rest of the time i call you hippies .
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I only call you communists around election time, the rest of the time i call you hippies .
    So you tories do have a compassionate side even for us?
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    So you tories do have a compassionate side even for us?
    Of course, we want prosperity for all peoples. It gives me immense pleasure to see a member of the left get a job, pay tax, be successful and then decide that actually we don't need 60% tax rates ect..

    Your like the adorable children who still believe in Santa.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Increasing the price of what?

    In what circumstances do you personally believe that people deserve benefit entitlements? (just curious as to you beliefs)
    Like increasing travel prices, increase in food and bills. I don't want benefits to be scrapped. I don't know about other people's situations but in my family right now no-one is working full time. My sister lost her job, then last week I lost my job and my other sister is studying full time while trying to work part time as well which I can tell is stressful as she has lot's of uni related work to do. No one at home is actually earning a proper salary and it's hard for mum to pay bills. She only receives one type of benefit and it's not even much. I don't really know how we're managing it. We've had to cut down on some things, like food that we like because of the price and its just hard living at home when you haven't got any money
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Of course, we want prosperity for all peoples. It gives me immense pleasure to see a member of the left get a job, pay tax, be successful and then decide that actually we don't need 60% tax rates ect..

    Your like the adorable children who still believe in Santa.
    Likewise but with Thatcher
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    Like increasing travel prices, increase in food and bills. I don't want benefits to be scrapped. I don't know about other people's situations but in my family right now no-one is working full time. My sister lost her job, then last week I lost my job and my other sister is studying full time while trying to work part time as well which I can tell is stressful as she has lot's of uni related work to do. No one at home is actually earning a proper salary and it's hard for mum to pay bills. She only receives one type of benefit and it's not even much. I don't really know how we're managing it. We've had to cut down on some things, like food that we like because of the price and its just hard living at home when you haven't got any money
    The responsibility of controlling inflation is that of the Bank Of England, inflation is currently running high because of high energy prices (we import lots of Russian gas) and because of a weak pound (not our fault).

    Benefits are certainly not being scrapped. I come from a similar family whereby by mother and step-father claim disability and still will do when the changes come in. There's a misconception here in that few Tories are mad enough to scrap benefits entirely, most simply want them restricted to only those that need them. Really we need to start means testing pensioner benefits to save money.

    I will say that the spare room subsidy has been badly implemented because there appears to have been little research done into how many houses are available within each housing area versus how many have spare rooms. The idea is good though.

    What are your wider economic views? Do you support high taxes and public ownership?

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    Likewise but with Thatcher
    Good comeback.
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    Then why am I hearing that benefits are going to be scrapped?? I don't support high taxes but I don't pay tax anyways. I'm worried about the room thing too in houses. My mother preferred it when Tony Blair was running the country back in the day so I prefer it too, because it was better back then. As for high taxes I don't really like that because it's not really fair. However, the upper class and middle class people should help the ones in working class and lower class.
    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The responsibility of controlling inflation is that of the Bank Of England, inflation is currently running high because of high energy prices (we import lots of Russian gas) and because of a weak pound (not our fault).

    Benefits are certainly not being scrapped. I come from a similar family whereby by mother and step-father claim disability and still will do when the changes come in. There's a misconception here in that few Tories are mad enough to scrap benefits entirely, most simply want them restricted to only those that need them. Really we need to start means testing pensioner benefits to save money.

    I will say that the spare room subsidy has been badly implemented because there appears to have been little research done into how many houses are available within each housing area versus how many have spare rooms. The idea is good though.

    What are your wider economic views? Do you support high taxes and public ownership?



    Good comeback.
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    My mother preferred it when Tony Blair was running the country back in the day so I prefer it too, because it was better back then.
    Any evidence for this?
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    Then why am I hearing that benefits are going to be scrapped?? I don't support high taxes but I don't pay tax anyways. I'm worried about the room thing too in houses. My mother preferred it when Tony Blair was running the country back in the day so I prefer it too, because it was better back then. As for high taxes I don't really like that because it's not really fair. However, the upper class and middle class people should help the ones in working class and lower class.
    Most likely because the universal credit has just replaced some benefits (same thing, just a benefit merger) and somebody has taken it out of context. To quote Blair, he inherited a "golden economy" from the Tories. We're also raising the tax threshold to £10k.

    I'd say that you do sound New Labour/Lib Dem depending what your social beliefs are although if you get involved in the TSR Hoc your probably just looking at the Liberals.
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    (Original post by [email protected])
    Then why am I hearing that benefits are going to be scrapped??
    Because you blindly listen to the things people say to you without fact-checking. Benefits aren't being scrapped, in fact the overall welfare bill is on the rise. Many are being rolled together into one benefit - the universal credit to simplify the system. Not even this toxic government would consider the lethal (quite literally) option of removing benefits. We can debate the rights and wrongs of benefits reforms all we want - I'm personally in favour of some welfare reform but not in the style the government is taking - but not if you're starting from the imaginary idea that benefits are being scrapped when they aren't.

    I don't support high taxes but I don't pay tax anyways.
    Do you support the 50% tax rate? Do you favour a flat rate of tax where everybody pays the same percentage? Or a staggered tax system where you pay a higher percentage the more you earn?

    I'm worried about the room thing too in houses.
    Do you live in social housing as if you rent from a private sector landlord you've nothing to worry about. The general aim of the policy is favourable as it aims to encourage those in houses that are too big for them to downsize and free up housing for larger families who desperately need it. The execution of the policy has been disastrous.

    My mother preferred it when Tony Blair was running the country back in the day so I prefer it too, because it was better back then.
    Economically speaking it may have been better but we were still living in a debt-fuelled bubble, the bubble that would later collapse on a global scale leading to the financial crisis Labour and the current government are both responsible for the crisis. Things may have been better under Tony Blair but that doesn't mean to say they'd be better under Ed Miliband - although they probably would in my opinion.

    As for high taxes I don't really like that because it's not really fair. However, the upper class and middle class people should help the ones in working class and lower class.
    Firstly I hate the class system and don't really understand at what point you become lower class, working class, middle class or upper class - it seems to vary wildly with every person. So can you give me some ballpark figures of how much tax you think should come from the different "classes" and roughly what annual earnings you think each of these "classes" earn.

    EDIT: Sorry if this has come across as me attacking you. It isn't, I just want to try and engage in a debate with you about your politics.
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    Well said Mad Dog. It's quite worrying that someone is clearly unable to form logical opinions of their own, and just believes what they are told.
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    Well said Mad Dog. It's quite worrying that someone is clearly unable to form logical opinions of their own, and just believes what they are told.
    Whilst true we should not be too harsh, we should instead endevour to help her discover political viewpoints (on TSR she's probably closest to your party seemingly thus far).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Whilst true we should not be too harsh, we should instead endevour to help her discover political viewpoints (on TSR she's probably closest to your party seemingly thus far).
    I'm not into politics at all, it's prob why I don't know much about it and I'm confused. So I've decided that I will not say anything more about it...although thanks for answering my questions and all the comments! Cheers
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    Nobody hates anybody round here. Well, most of them time.
    You forgot Adorno. :ninja:

    (Original post by Rybee)
    It's a shame because you are literally the ideal party for me in real life, I'd back you in an instant and I guess when I look at Lib Dem now, I just wouldn't back them. I feel as a person who is very liberal is being let down by the only party that I think could genuinely represent me... I do assume you vote/back Lib Dem?
    This is basically my opinion too. :five:

    Thanks for the vote, btw.

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    Of course it's not just a game either. It helps no end with developing knowledge, forming and re-forming political opinions, understanding the issues, keeping up with trends and current affairs, improving debate skills, etc.
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    (Original post by Rybee)
    Humm probably their civil liberties:

    Repealing 'stop and search' legislation
    Rejecting any legislation that creates secret courts.
    Opposing plans for DNA databases and ID cards
    Forcing police to remove your DNA and details if you haven't been convicted.
    Fighting against any attempts to censor the Internet.

    I'm very opposed to the abuse of the stop and search legislation, which is so often abuse by the Met Police in particular. I don't think it's such an issue elsewhere but it infuriates me.

    The whole idea behind a court system is exposure of the truth, I'm strongly opposed to any 'secret court'. It's a one way path to trouble.

    As for DNA databases, I was arrested (unlawfully) last July. I was not charged but my DNA is sitting on the national database and despite requests for it to be destroyed in line with ECtHR rulings, the chief constable has refused. So this was a very personal sway in the vote for me.

    Attempts to censor the internet; often people cite their children going online looking at porn as a reason for censorship. I don't believe in censorship, I believe in good parenting. Just because you cannot educate, control and watch your children, doesn't mean censorship is the answer. You're just covering up a pothole on the motorway with a bit of sand, it's a bodge fix.





    As for the Socialist Party, I agreed with:
    Nationalising Transport and Utilities
    Drugs - Rehabilitation is the way forward for treatment, simply convicting users is no use to anybody and a waste of money.


    But I was put off by:
    50% Tax bracket, I just don't think that is justifiable. I also detest the use of the term 'Robin Hood Tax', it portrays the culture of 'stealing from the rich and giving to the poor'. I couldn't be more opposed to that.

    I guess you/they/it just came across as a little anarchic and were up for a 'fight against the system' whereas the Liberal party seemed a tad more friendly.
    How would you feel if I told you that the entire civil liberties section of the Liberals' manifesto is nicked from the Libertarians' last manifesto (except for repealing stop and search, which the Libertarians already did)?
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    How would you feel if I told you that the entire civil liberties section of the Liberals' manifesto is nicked from the Libertarians' last manifesto (except for repealing stop and search, which the Libertarians already did)?
    I would feel that the Libertarians have either since changed, or have failed to represent themselves effectively.
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    I would feel that the Libertarians have either since changed, or have failed to represent themselves effectively.
    Fair enough. We tend to try to come up with a new manifesto each time, and I guess in doing so we've missed out on some votes. Win some, lose some I suppose. The important thing is that you liked those policies really, because we'll keep pushing them, hopefully alongside the Liberals. Thanks for taking the time to read the manifestos and vote anyway.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Likewise but with Thatcher
    Thatcher was definitely real. Whether she was a force for good is debatable (though I tend to open that debate by asking when the last time your power was cut off from strike action was).
 
 
 
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