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    My dad's going to a rugby match, and there will be apparently be a minutes silence there, which I think is a bit ludicrous. What relevance does Thatcher have to rugby?

    Really, stuff like this isn't even about Thatcher, or politics, at all. Ever since Diana, there has been a national obsession with deaths of famous people, and of being seen to be mourning in public - what has been termed 'grief porn'. The whole thing is stupid.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to "despise" someone simply because they disagreed with their politics? I appreciate there's a lot of weirdos, nutcases and ********s out there, but I don't see why they should be defended on here.
    Because many people were worse off because of her! Many people lost their jobs etc etc. Many suffered poverty etc. That's why.
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    So what happened then? I heard the scousers pretty much had a party in their end complete with flares and the cameras were doing their best not to show it.

    Fair play to them if so (the scouse, not the cameras.)
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    It's a dreadful way to show respect in this situation. It's going to be very embarrassing.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Why on earth would anyone be stupid enough to "despise" someone simply because they disagreed with their politics? I appreciate there's a lot of weirdos, nutcases and ********s out there, but I don't see why they should be defended on here.
    A lot of people seem to be hating on her despite being seriously young, as in younger than me which I find pretty hilarious since many of them probably just jumped on the bandwagon of hating Thatcher because it seems fashionable to them.

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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Wigan chairman Dave Whelan and Reading chairman John Madjeski have called for football teams to hold a minutes silence for Thatcher this weekend.
    In my opinion this must not happen. Ignore what she did, but sport and politics should not mix. Holding a silence would be making a huge political point.
    I am against anyone celebrating her death but people should not be forced to respect her, especially someone with very tenuous links to football.
    She is possibly the most divisive PM ever and a minutes silence would certainly not be observed fully.
    I've never disrespected a minutes silence before but I certainly would take exception if it were to happen.
    Furthermore, none of Wilson, Heath or Callaghan received a minutes silence. Why should she?
    I agree with you, and so will many football fans.

    If Whelan and Madjeski has followed the modern trend and asked for a minute's applause, they may have had a better chance of uniting the country.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    For people so keen to blame Margaret Thatcher for any shortcomings under her government, it seems odd that you apparently cannot recognise the heirarchical relationship of our civic structures and the responsibility that brings. She was quite different to a civil servant.
    There's obviously differences between her job and that of a civil servant. However she was still a servant of the people working for the people (supposedly) her job was to run the country why should she be elevated to savior status just for doing her job of running the country?
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    A lot of people seem to be hating on her despite being seriously young, as in younger than me which I find pretty hilarious since many of them probably just jumped on the bandwagon of hating Thatcher because it seems fashionable to them.

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    Agree entirely, but this also applies to people supporting her who were born after her time as PM. "Look at me everyone I have a different opinion to the majority" :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    A lot of people seem to be hating on her despite being seriously young, as in younger than me which I find pretty hilarious since many of them probably just jumped on the bandwagon of hating Thatcher because it seems fashionable to them.

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    Can we not hate Hitler because none of us are old enough?
    And no I'm not comparing the two, its the fact you said we can't detest someone because we're 'too young' and just jumping on the 'bandwagon'.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    [Thatcher] blamed Liverpool fans for Hillsborough
    I just want to offer some clarity on this situation. Not that I'm defending Thatcher for blaming the Liverpool fans, it has to be said that Thatcher only blamed them because the police told her that Liverpool fans were at fault.

    Essentially, the police lied to her to cover their own arses. Thatcher didn't know; and only went on what she was told by the police and the press. Thatcher didn't intentionally blame Liverpool fans.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Can we not hate Hitler because none of us are old enough?
    And no I'm not comparing the two, its the fact you said we can't detest someone because we're 'too young' and just jumping on the 'bandwagon'.
    People are jumping on the bandwagon though.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Because many people were worse off because of her! Many people lost their jobs etc etc. Many suffered poverty etc. That's why.
    But many people also benefited from her policies; particularly in the South.

    Thatcher is hated in the North because she decimated the North to benefit the South. Northeners hate her. Southeners look a little more kindly to her.
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    (Original post by Wilfred Little)
    Agree entirely, but this also applies to people supporting her who were born after her time as PM. "Look at me everyone I have a different opinion to the majority" :rolleyes:
    Pretty much. People who like to play "revolutionary." The sort of people who love to idolise Che Guerra even though he was a mass murderer.


    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Can we not hate Hitler because none of us are old enough?
    And no I'm not comparing the two, its the fact you said we can't detest someone because we're 'too young' and just jumping on the 'bandwagon'.
    :rolleyes: Using the Hitler argument is just ridiculous. Frankly many people are jumping on the bandwagon, many people who were never touched by anything Thatcher did. They just hate her because it's trendy and the in thing to do. It's stupid.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    I just want to offer some clarity on this situation. Not that I'm defending Thatcher for blaming the Liverpool fans, it has to be said that Thatcher only blamed them because the police told her that Liverpool fans were at fault.

    Essentially, the police lied to her to cover their own arses. Thatcher didn't know; and only went on what she was told by the police and the press. Thatcher didn't intentionally blame Liverpool fans.
    Rubbish. She knew it was a failure of the police and her governmentand tried to cover it up.

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    People are jumping on the bandwagon though.
    So is everyone who hates Hitler just jumping on the bandwagon too?
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Pretty much. People who like to play "revolutionary." The sort of people who love to idolise Che Guerra even though he was a mass murderer.




    :rolleyes: Using the Hitler argument is just ridiculous. Frankly many people are jumping on the bandwagon, many people who were never touched by anything Thatcher did. They just hate her because it's trendy and the in thing to do. It's stupid.
    Many people were not touched by what Hitler did. Many people were not touched by what the South African aparthied did. Many people were not touched by what Stalin did.. need Icontinue?
    Are these all band wagoners? Why is it a ridiculous argument?
    it's so naive to say they just hate her because of a bandwagon. I hate her because I disagree with her political actions hugely as do the majority of people who dislike her.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Rubbish. She knew it was a failure of the police and her governmentand tried to cover it up.
    I'm just going on from what I've looked into. The government concealed the failures of the police because their one-sided argument was all the police pitched to them. The government either didn't get the opportunity to factor in the Liverpool fans, or felt satisfied enough with the police's verdict to back the police; even though they lied through their teeth.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So is everyone who hates Hitler just jumping on the bandwagon too?
    Because comparing Hitler and Thatcher is the most absurd comparison, one started a world war and tried to annihilate a race, one had political policies in a democratic state that some disagreed with.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    I'm just going on from what I've looked into. The government concealed the failures of the police because their one-sided argument was all the police pitched to them. The government either didn't get the opportunity to factor in the Liverpool fans, or felt satisfied enough with the police's verdict to back the police; even though they lied through their teeth.
    Think youre being naive solely blaming the police. The govt knew it was their fault yet blamed the liverpool fans.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Many people were not touched by what Hitler did. Many people were not touched by what the South African aparthied did. Many people were not touched by what Stalin did.. need Icontinue?
    Are these all band wagoners? Why is it a ridiculous argument?
    it's so naive to say they just hate her because of a bandwagon. I hate her because I disagree with her political actions hugely as do the majority of people who dislike her.
    Some people do follow such things because they are firmly on the bandwagon. Sorry but that's the truth. And you might hate her for some of the things she did but it is quite a step to go from disliking her or hating her to all out celebrating her death. To do that you either really really hate her and with good reason or you're tagging a long. It's quite different to hating Aparteid, Hitler, or Stalin.
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    (Original post by Idle)
    Because comparing Hitler and Thatcher is the most absurd comparison, one started a world war and tried to annihilate a race, one had political policies in a democratic state that some disagreed with.
    Seems you can't read. I explained I was in no way comparing the two. I was comparing the view that you can't hate someone just because you were born in a different era.

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