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    Communist.
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    (Original post by The Troll Toll)
    Actually a lot of us do.
    If you abolish the minimum wage, people would be more reliant on the government for financial aid, it's unfeasible otherwise. Is that what you want?
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    (Original post by Nick100)
    I'm arguing that even if you took all of the wealth produced in Britain in 1900 and paid every worker equally they would still be worse off than even the poorest workers today. They would be earning less than minimum wage today because the country's production was not high enough. The price of just about everything has fallen over the past hundred years.
    LOL ok... Do you have ANYTHING to back this up?
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    If you abolish the minimum wage, people would be more reliant on the government for financial aid, it's unfeasible otherwise. Is that what you want?
    When we discuss ideology we don't just pick a policy and apply it to the current world. Most people who want to abolish the minimum wage think there are ways to make it so it isn't unfeasible otherwise. On the other hand those who are in favour of a negative income tax might simply answer "yes, maybe."
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    So right wingers, who want to abolish the NMW, health and safety, working time regulations, working conditions regulations, safety standards for products, benefits.

    This is what britain was in the 1800s, and will turn britain back into what it was then, the rich, feasting and partying while the poor suffer and starve. do you want to go back to working 20 hour days, for starvation wages in unsafe conditions, when you can be sacked for getting ill or hurt and receive no sick pay, and no unemployment help or disability support?

    capitalism had its chance and has failed.
    This is utterly moronic.

    Right-wingers believe in human rights, but we reject the idea that the economy needs to be burdened with an incoherent mess of regulation in order to provide them.

    The system is so confused that most workers don't even know what their rights are, it's a lawyer's feast (you know, one of those bad rich guys you like to moan about) that does little to enhance the lot of ordinary working people.

    You sound like a shill for the legal industry tbh.
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    (Original post by amholcroft)
    LOL ok... Do you have ANYTHING to back this up?
    Are you seriously disputing that the country produced less wealth in 1900 than it does today? A lot of the technology we use today didn't even exist in 1900. If you want you can look up historical GDP per capita (which was less than 1/3rd of minimum wage today) but even that gives an overestimate of the wealth produced given that there were no televisions or computers being produced anywhere on Earth in 1900.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    This is utterly moronic.

    Right-wingers believe in human rights, but we reject the idea that the economy needs to be burdened with an incoherent mess of regulation in order to provide them.

    The system is so confused that most workers don't even know what their rights are, it's a lawyer's feast (you know, one of those bad rich guys you like to moan about) that does little to enhance the lot of ordinary working people.

    You sound like a shill for the legal industry tbh.
    cant answer me so insult me, clever.

    if the right get their way working conditions and wages will plummet. end of.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    Because the alternatives have worked so well haven't they?

    It was the left that had their time and blew it. Get over it and get off welfare you left wing cretin.
    well the paris commune worked well, until it was crushed by the elite, andim pretty sure the USSR would have worked if the rest of the world didnt band together to destroy it.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    well the paris commune worked well, until it was crushed by the elite, andim pretty sure the USSR would have worked if the rest of the world didnt band together to destroy it.
    If socialism was better than capitalism, it would have outlived it. But people realised living standards/way of life, governance and personal freedoms are better and protected under capitalism. That's why socialism failed, it was unsustainable.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    Communist.
    yes because wanting fair wages and good working conditions is communist.

    what a helpful response
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    If socialism was better than capitalism, it would have outlived it. But people realised living standards/way of life, governance and personal freedoms are better and protected under capitalism. That's why socialism failed, it was unsustainable.
    well the paris commune was crushed by military force, the USSR became a totalitarian state, so i dont see where socialism has had a chance.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    yes because wanting fair wages and good working conditions is communist.

    what a helpful response
    What the hell is a 'fair' wage?
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    well the paris commune was crushed by military force, the USSR became a totalitarian state, so i dont see where socialism has had a chance.
    I cannot see how it will be implemented. It would require mass death, even more state bureaucracy and losses to personal freedom. It may see like a nice idea to you, but it's completely unworkable.
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    Tbf.. yes, the right have opposed every single measure to alleviate poverty since such movements began. However, we don't actually know how things would have turned out if left to continue on the path they were on pre-Labour movement.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    What the hell is a 'fair' wage?
    a wage that allows a person to live for a start, which if the right get their way the majority of wages wont, extra money for the suits at the top.
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    I cannot see how it will be implemented. It would require mass death, even more state bureaucracy and losses to personal freedom. It may see like a nice idea to you, but it's completely unworkable.
    lol, how exactly is it unworkable and even more lol how will it require mass death? those statements prove you have NO idea what socialism is. educate yourself before shouting something down.

    so you admit socialism has never been implemented.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    lol, how exactly is it unworkable and even more lol how will it require mass death? those statements prove you have NO idea what socialism is. educate yourself before shouting something down.

    so you admit socialism has never been implemented.
    How do you expect everyone to accept or conform to socialism? It would face mass opposition, then the military would take those people down.

    In the USSR, but that wasn't too successful, was it? Haha.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    a wage that allows a person to live for a start, which if the right get their way the majority of wages wont, extra money for the suits at the top.
    A left wing cliche and nothing more.

    In case you hadn't noticed, socialism doesn't work.
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    (Original post by Iron Lady)
    How do you expect everyone to accept or conform to socialism? It would face mass opposition, then the military would take those people down.

    In the USSR, but that wasn't too successful, was it? Haha.
    what would change apart from we would have no starvation, no poverty, no homelessness, i cant think of anyone not a rabid right winger like you who would be against that.

    well the ussr was totalitarian, pretty much from the start, however it was extremely successful up until after ww2 when the capitalist western states decided it was time to force it to fail
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    a wage that allows a person to live for a start, which if the right get their way the majority of wages wont, extra money for the suits at the top.
    The minimum wage is enough for people to buy the basics. Just make the exempt from paying as much tax and ensure they won't be better off on benefits.

    What is your vendetta against the rich? 1) They're not a collective entity with similar wages, outlooks or intent and 2) they're still people...
 
 
 
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