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    (Original post by HopefulMidwife)
    I'm so pissed off that we're having a 8m funeral in a country where they claim to have no money. People can struggle, literally have nothing but it doesn't matter, as long as she gets her state funded funeral, right? Ironic coming from a government that wants to privatise everything, it seems. Did they even ask for permission to use our taxes for this crap?
    It's not a state funeral, Thatcher herself said she didn't want one.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    No, equally to both. I don't care about the right, I don't care about the left, I only care that the pettiness of both makes the country look like a bunch of utterly childish morons.

    It's only propaganda if you allowed yourself to be taken in by it. I view it as no more than a way to remember someone who served the country. End of story. I'm not buying in to any attempts to canonise her from one side or demonise her from another.

    It's a funeral. This time next week it'll all be over and nothing will have changed. The Tories will still be unpopular, Labour will still be lead by a guy who I wouldn't back to find his own way out of a cul-de-sac and the other parties will be nothing more than a protest vote.
    All of this.
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    Personally I really could't care less .Labour would have done the same and 10 million is not really that much money in the grand scheme of things. Granted it could be used for better things but since ether party would have spent it on her funeral there's not much to be said
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    It really would help if all militant left socialists were not such miserable, whinging gits who like to kick up a fuss about anything. Like the PC retards who find words like "Walkie-Talkie" offensive to people who are unable to walk or talk.
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    Really?

    -UKIP are anti Europe, mainly on EU policies she signed for.

    -UKIP constantly use propoganda around council homes being filled with 'immygants', which is directly caused by Thatchers private purchase policy (which would have been fine if the money had been used to build more housing rather than line pockets)

    -UKIP constantly outline the need for autarky and home grown food, which is something Thatcher policy directly destroyed

    -UKIP desire a complete U turn on taxation introduced and extended by Thatcher


    Please, read up on your own party some! :lol:


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    I don't agree with the UKIP ideas to improve/fix these problems, but I would agree they are problems.
    I'm not saying they're blood brothers, but your claims that UKIP hate Thatcher are just absurd.

    UKIP formed after Maastricht, you can't pin that one on her. UKIP is anti-EU, not anti-Europe. And it seems hardly likely that she was complicit in signing away too many powers when you read articles like this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...lmut-Kohl.html

    With respect to immigrants, you're bizarrely blaming the sell-off in council housing despite the Blair administation increasing immigration tenfold a decade after she left power? What about all the other services (doctors, schooling, hospitals, roads etc.) that are impacted by mass unprepared for increases in numbers? Is that all down to Thatcher too?

    Must admit I don't know a great deal about farming, but I'm sure withdrawing from the CAP and its myriad regulations would be a useful start.
    And on tax, really? UKIP are proposing a radical (lower) flat tax, may not be official policy yet but their key focus for a very long time has been to bring minimum wage earners out of income tax altogether by raising the threshold.

    Here's a nice read about UKIP and Nigel Farage for you: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...working-class/
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    (Original post by Tahooper)
    It's not a state funeral you uneducated mong, Thatcher herself said she didn't want one.
    Using the word "mong" isn't very nice, it's an abusive reference to the handicapped.

    It is a state funeral in all but name, there is barely any difference - she isn't actually lying in state. That's pretty much it. Also the taxpayer are shovelling money at it - apparently that is no problem, whereas disabled people being able to have a spare bedroom - problem.
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    (Original post by Tahooper)
    It's not a state funeral you uneducated mong, Thatcher herself said she didn't want one.
    You idiot, you do realise this is why she is being given a ceremonial funeral (one step below a state funeral)? It is a state funeral in all but name, it has all the trappings of any personality cult veneration exercise more usually associated with the more backward parts of the world.

    People like you splitting hairs and causing arguments among those who should be in solidarity are exactly what they want by calling it a ceremonial funeral. Divide and rule, always, always, always.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Using the word "mong" isn't very nice, it's an abusive reference to the handicapped.
    :rofl: Haha, I was waiting for a PC maniac to get so uppity about that word. Oh, bite me!
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    FFS. When did this country become so pathetic as the Americans?

    Left this, Right that, it's all I've heard all week. Politicing and propagandising everything. It's downright annoying now. I've tried so hard to stay away from anything to do with this womans death, yet, it's actually impossible.

    Want her funeral to be over and done with so we can get back to some form of normality.

    Thank god i did grow up during her realm.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Harold Wilson forced the big oil companies (against a **** storm of criticism, plots to subvert his aims, etc) to bid for their North Sea oil licenses and screwed a very large tax take out of them for the privilege of subsequent drilling. This must have been worth an incredible amount to the taxpayer over the years, well in excess of £100bn, yet still no state funeral.

    This line that Maggie was some sort of miracle worker is total Tory hype, it's politics and it's bugger-all justification for what's happening.

    I believe we are in the middle of some kind of soft coup, Cameron is far exceeding his constitutional role. He did so again the other day with his early recall of Parliament, the eulogy session for a dead PM is usually on the next normal Parliamentary day.

    There will be more abuses of power to come like this, they aren't done. Now they've had this one accepted, they will be trying other things.
    Hmm but Wilson didn't win the Falklands* war
    He also didn't stop Britain having to go and claim a IMF loan in 1976!
    If Maggie was in charge she'd do everything in her power to avoid it- if she had to introduce temporary cuts left right and centre so be it.

    Also Wilson didn't change Britain like Maggie did and he be never had the same international appeal! Even Poland wants to have s statue of her!


    *some people over there see Maggie as 'their Churchill' . They're even considering renaming Port Stanley as Port Margaret!
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    (Original post by Tahooper)
    It's not a state funeral you uneducated mong, Thatcher herself said she didn't want one.
    There's no need to be so rude :confused: are you happy in yourself?

    And can you explain to me, seeing as I am so uneducated, how a funeral funded by the taxpayer is not a state funeral?
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    I'm not saying they're blood brothers, but your claims that UKIP hate Thatcher are just absurd.

    UKIP formed after Maastricht, you can't pin that one on her. UKIP is anti-EU, not anti-Europe. And it seems hardly likely that she was complicit in signing away too many powers when you read articles like this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...lmut-Kohl.html

    With respect to immigrants, you're bizarrely blaming the sell-off in council housing despite the Blair administation increasing immigration tenfold a decade after she left power? What about all the other services (doctors, schooling, hospitals, roads etc.) that are impacted by mass unprepared for increases in numbers? Is that all down to Thatcher too?

    Must admit I don't know a great deal about farming, but I'm sure withdrawing from the CAP and its myriad regulations would be a useful start.
    And on tax, really? UKIP are proposing a radical (lower) flat tax, may not be official policy yet but their key focus for a very long time has been to bring minimum wage earners out of income tax altogether by raising the threshold.

    Here's a nice read about UKIP and Nigel Farage for you: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...working-class/


    I think you're making your party fit your ideas about it rather than choosing it based on policy, sorry :sadnod:

    The simple truth is the UKIP directly oppose all policies under the Thatcher administration, and Tony Blair extended Thatchers policies (which is where the immigration came from). As I said, Thatcher showed massive regret over her EU policies and that's why you find an abundance of articles like that.

    As they don't want to isolate voters they naturally express admiration for her strength of character and time in office. There's nothing wrong with them disagreeing with Thatcher's policies, but you should really know your own party and the person being discussed before leaping into a discussion, many of us here are a little bit interested in politics and are just going to lose interest in any opinions you might express if you make mistakes like this.

    I mean no offence and just wanted to give you some information that might make your stance stronger and easier to digest in future.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You idiot, you do realise this is why she is being given a ceremonial funeral (one step below a state funeral)? It is a state funeral in all but name, it has all the trappings of any personality cult veneration exercise more usually associated with the more backward parts of the world.

    People like you splitting hairs and causing arguments among those who should be in solidarity are exactly what they want by calling it a ceremonial funeral. Divide and rule, always, always, always.
    But financially speaking it's part taxpayer funded*, part family funded and part privately funded

    * Her EU rebate has saved us £75 billion so far so she's contributed more to the public purse than most!
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    I think you're making your party fit your ideas about it rather than choosing it based on policy, sorry :sadnod:

    The simple truth is the UKIP directly oppose all policies under the Thatcher administration, and Tony Blair extended Thatchers policies (which is where the immigration came from). As I said, Thatcher showed massive regret over her EU policies and that's why you find an abundance of articles like that.

    As they don't want to isolate voters they naturally express admiration for her strength of character and time in office. There's nothing wrong with them disagreeing with Thatcher's policies, but you should really know your own party and the person being discussed before leaping into a discussion, many of us here are a little bit interested in politics and are just going to lose interest in any opinions you might express if you make mistakes like this.

    I mean no offence and just wanted to give you some information that might make your stance stronger and easier to digest in future.
    As I said, your claims are not remotely linked to reality, but nice trolling.
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    (Original post by kevin6767)
    This thread should read: I'm angry. I have too much time on my hands. I'll snipe and snipe and snipe. I'm an angry socialist. Waa waa waa.

    Maggie won, get over it. Despite current non-debate over the BBC playing Ding Dong the witch is dead and the facebook and social media campaigns to get the song to number 1 and the counter group trying to get the song We love Maggie Thatcher to number 1, she still won. In fact she would probably be in her element with two groups of people in open competition to achieve a goal via the use of the products of free enterprise, chiefly twitter and facebook. Well done on protesting in a way Maggie would have found laughable.

    Right wing media? Ha. The most used media group in the country with a hugely unfair state funded monopoly can hardly be considered right wing.

    Maggie's funeral is being part private funded, part family funded and part state funded, if you are going to make a statement get your facts straight.

    Fullofsurprises, this is not the first time I am several others have highlighted your stupidity and you are yet to respond to a single point.
    I didn't find anything intelligent enough in your previous "highlightings" to be worthy of reply.

    I am aware that the Tory Party are making a big thing of her/their contributions (without actually telling us what they are), but my statement simply reflects the cost to the taxpayer so far, which is widely reported as already in excess of £8m.

    UK media is overwhelmingly dominated by the Right, the bulk of the newspapers are right-wing controlled, as well as Sky, which is a heavily-watched channel and a compliant BBC, which has been servile in its coverage of the Thatcher death.
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    (Original post by kevin6767)
    and the counter group trying to get the song We love Maggie Thatcher to number 1,
    I think some people miss the point - just because the song has a name like that, does not mean it supports her and I am pretty sure it was meant in an ironic/sarcastic way first time round.
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    Full coverage of today's protests against the bedroom tax, tax evasion and Trident, for those who fancy a bit of a break from the state propaganda about Thatcher.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...ests-cuts-live
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Full coverage of today's protests against the bedroom tax, tax evasion and Trident, for those who fancy a bit of a break from the state propaganda about Thatcher.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/b...ests-cuts-live
    Why aren't you there, instead of whining on the internet?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    as is Sky, which is the most watched channel.
    Where on earth did you pick that piece of tragic misinformation from? Sky is nowhere close to being the most viewed channel. Programmes on any of the Sky channels are lucky to break 1.5million viewers, while programmes on BBC 1, 2 and ITV 1 regularly break 5million and often get as high as 10m.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    Why aren't you there, instead of whining on the internet?
    Not kicking off til later apparently. No fun to join the party too early!
 
 
 
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