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    Some actual studies and reports of false rape being far higher than the supposed 2% figure everyone seems to quote:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html

    Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 [and 50] percent. These are wildly disparate figures that cannot be reconciled.
    This week I stumbled over a passage in a 1996 study published by the U.S. Department of Justice: Convicted by Juries, Exonerated by Science: Case Studies in the Use of DNA Evidence to Establish Innocence After Trial.
    The passage that riveted my attention was a quote from Peter Neufeld and Barry C. Scheck, prominent criminal attorneys and co-founders of the Innocence Project that seeks to release those falsely imprisoned.
    They stated, "Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing [alone].”
    The authors continued, "these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate."

    If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources.
    ‘Two percent of all reports are false.’
    Several years ago, I tried to track down the origin of this much-cited stat. The first instance I found of the figure was in Susan Brownmiller's book on sexual assault entitled "Against Our Will" (1975). Brownmiller claimed that false accusations in New York City had dropped to 2 percent after police departments began using policewomen to interview alleged victims.
    Elsewhere, the two percent figure appears without citation or with only a vague attribution to "FBI" sources. Although the figure shows up in legislation such as the Violence Against Women Act, legal scholar Michelle Anderson of Villanova University Law School reported in 2004, "no study has ever been published which sets forth an evidentiary basis for the two percent false rape complaint thesis."
    In short, there is no reason to credit that figure.
    ‘Forty-one percent of all reports are false.’
    This claim comes from a study conducted by Eugene J. Kanin of Purdue University. Kanin examined 109 rape complaints registered in a Midwestern city from 1978 to 1987. Of these, 45 were ultimately classified by the police as "false." Also based on police records, Kanin determined that 50 percent of the rapes reported at two major universities were "false."

    Although Kanin offers solid research, I would need to see more studies with different populations before accepting the figure of 50 percent as prevalent; to me, the figure seems high.
    But even a skeptic like me must credit a DNA exclusion rate of 20 percent that remained constant over several years when conducted by FBI labs. This is especially true when 20 percent more were found to be questionable.

    False accusations are not rare. They are common.
    http://www.urban.org/publications/412589.html

    DNA tests eliminated between 8 and 15% of convicted offenders and supported exoneration. 46% were indeterminate
    Certainly I have many more studies and reports which suggests a significant amount of rape accusations are false. Like I said there certainly needs to be more research done in this area. It's more than likely because feminists will start tearing their hairs out.

    Also another shocking thing is that any male student accused of rape during college [ie university] has basically no due process:

    http://www.saveservices.org/camp/ded...ed-editorials/

    The police should be handling any criminal cases[ Why are colleges given this power?] and it's sad to see that guys being acussed are basically screwed.

    http://gonzalolira.blogspot.co.uk/20...dartmouth.html

    But the main of this thread wasn't about false rape allegations per se, it was how the judicial system is so far lopsided to suit the accuser and gives the accused very little chance of surviving and how the traditional view of innocent until proven guilty is not only being ignored by society but also in a lot of cases by the justice system.
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    (Original post by Ultimate1)
    Some actual studies and reports of false rape being far higher than the supposed 2% figure everyone seems to quote:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html
    Criticism

    Critics of Kanin's report include Dr. David Lisak, an associate professor of psychology and director of the Men's Sexual Trauma Research Project at the University of Massachusetts Boston. He states, "Kanin’s 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape. It certainly should never be used to assert a scientific foundation for the frequency of false allegations."[11]

    According to Lisak, Kanin's study lacked any kind of systematic methodology and did not independently define a false report, instead recording as false any report which the police department classified as false. The department classified reports as false which the complainant later said were false, but Lisak points out that Kanin's study did not scrutinize the police's processes or employ independent checkers to protect results from bias.[12]

    Kanin, Lisak writes, took his data from a police department whose investigation procedures are condemned by the U.S. Justice Department and the International Association of Chiefs of Police. These procedures include the almost universal[11] threat, in this department, of polygraph testing of complainants, which is viewed as a tactic of intimidation that leads victims to avoid the justice process[12] and which, Lisak says, is "based on the misperception that a significant percentage of sexual assault reports are false."[11] The police department's "biases...were then echoed in Kanin’s unchallenged reporting of their findings."[11]

    Bruce Gross writes in the Forensic Examiner that Kanin's study is an example of the limitations of existing studies on false rape accusations. "Small sample sizes and non-representative samples preclude generalizability."[4] Philip N.S. Rumney questions the reliability of Kanin's study stating that it "must be approached with caution". He argues that the study's most significant problem is Kanin's assumption "that police officers abided by departmental policy in only labeling as false those cases where the complainant admitted to fabrication. He does not consider that actual police practice, as other studies have shown, might have departed from guidelines."[13]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_a...rape#Criticism
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Criticism

    Critics of Kanin's report include Dr. David Lisak, an associate professor of psychology and director of the Men's Sexual Trauma Research Project at the University of Massachusetts Boston. He states, "Kanin’s 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape. It certainly should never be used to assert a scientific foundation for the frequency of false allegations."[11]

    According to Lisak, Kanin's study lacked any kind of systematic methodology and did not independently define a false report, instead recording as false any report which the police department classified as false. The department classified reports as false which the complainant later said were false, but Lisak points out that Kanin's study did not scrutinize the police's processes or employ independent checkers to protect results from bias.[12]

    Kanin, Lisak writes, took his data from a police department whose investigation procedures are condemned by the U.S. Justice Department and the International Association of Chiefs of Police. These procedures include the almost universal[11] threat, in this department, of polygraph testing of complainants, which is viewed as a tactic of intimidation that leads victims to avoid the justice process[12] and which, Lisak says, is "based on the misperception that a significant percentage of sexual assault reports are false."[11] The police department's "biases...were then echoed in Kanin’s unchallenged reporting of their findings."[11]

    Bruce Gross writes in the Forensic Examiner that Kanin's study is an example of the limitations of existing studies on false rape accusations. "Small sample sizes and non-representative samples preclude generalizability."[4] Philip N.S. Rumney questions the reliability of Kanin's study stating that it "must be approached with caution". He argues that the study's most significant problem is Kanin's assumption "that police officers abided by departmental policy in only labeling as false those cases where the complainant admitted to fabrication. He does not consider that actual police practice, as other studies have shown, might have departed from guidelines."[13]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_a...rape#Criticism
    Interesting. Thanks for that I will read it and get back to you.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    Difference between "feminists" and feminists, however.

    Also, less than two in a thousand accusations of rape turn out to be false. That's why they're not reported very much - they're rare. Plus, when you consider how many people are raped, and that only around ten in a thousand rapists are convicted, then really, the media should focus more on that as an issue rather than false rape accusations.
    The two in a thousand accusations of rape thing turn out to be false is not true. This is a figure from the Enliven Project, which had the infographic in such a way to give that misinformation.

    That the number of falsely reported rapes out of what they guessed was the total number of rapes - they estimated a 10% reporting rate, which by their own admission was on the dramatic end of possibility. So the real suggestion was that 2 in 100 turn out to be false - as 900 of that figure are unreported, and so cannot be falsely reported.

    Once again, this is by their own admission on the dramatic end of possibility. The link that they provide to give evidence of the 2% figure actually states that 2-8% of reported rapes are shown to be false. So lets take the average, 5%. Similarly, it's 10 in 100 reported rapes - you can hardly expected a conviction for any of the 900 unreported rapes.

    Finally, it assumes guilty until proven innocent. Those 85/100 reported rapes that are unaccounted for? They are inconclusive.

    Of reported rapes, 5% are conclusively false, 10% are conclusively true, 85% are inconclusive. A greater number of rapes go unreported, which would raise the figures somewhere between 2x and 20x the original amount.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Hmm, well on their own site they admit a number of flaws in their infographic. And also raise and dismiss the concerns I have. It's a bit decietful, but I doubt their intent was malicious.
    Do a google - there's more than a few concerns with the infographic. It's utterly misleading, as shown in how ChocoCoatedLemons interpreted it as "2/1000 rapes are false, so it's rare", when it's actually "5/100 reported rapes are conclusively false, and most are inconclusive".
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    (Original post by lightburns)
    Do a google - there's more than a few concerns with the infographic. It's utterly misleading, as shown in how ChocoCoatedLemons interpreted it as "2/1000 rapes are false, so it's rare", when it's actually "5/100 reported rapes are conclusively false, and most are inconclusive".
    From the flaws they admit on their own blog it's clear that the infographic is very misleading, not that I trusted it to start with
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    Difference between "feminists" and feminists, however.

    Also, less than two in a thousand accusations of rape turn out to be false. That's why they're not reported very much - they're rare. Plus, when you consider how many people are raped, and that only around ten in a thousand rapists are convicted, then really, the media should focus more on that as an issue rather than false rape accusations.
    these sound awfully like those false rainn statistics which say the same thing...
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    (Original post by Ultimate1)
    Don't think so. Of the scarce amount of studies done, a significant amount of rape accusations have turned out to be false. Some studies there has been upwards of 45% of accusations turning out to be false. Certainly there needs to be much more investigated into this matter.
    Hah. I'd love to see those studies if you may.

    And OP, I wonder what is the cause of your misogynistic posts?
 
 
 
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