If you (and people like you) spend more time encouraging women to actually try and do better rather than spouting this rubbish than maybe it wouldn't be a problem.(Original post by Movember)
If women are failures at school, or don't have motivation to get a job, or they had difficulties in their childhood which has prevented them doing well in life, or they failed at university, or their personality is stopping them getting anyway in life etc. then they have a so called 'easy way out'.
The easy way out is one of:
a) selling their bodies for sex- this can be a range of things from becoming a prostitute, escort, selling themselves to a sex magazine, going on those sex channels, having sex with 'friends in high places', becoming a model (it seems every girl can be a model these days and female models are in high demand) and so on
b) marrying a rich man, or making friends with a rich man, which means they dont need a well paid/high skilled job (or indeed any job at all).
men dont have this luxury. they cant sell their bodies for sex like women can because there is no demand for it unless they are extremely naturally good looking. men cant pose for sex magazines or photoshoots because they would be laughed out the door unless again they are extremely naturally good looking. men cant have ambitions to marry a rich woman. he would be laughed at and never taken seriously, not least no rich successful woman would want to marry a poor failure of a man. it doesnt work that way.
for a man to make it anywhere in life, he has to graft hard, get qualifications, get skills and only then will he be rich and successful. a woman can use her looks, marry a rich man or whore herself out for sex and be rich and successful. i think i know which one of these is the easier option!
what do you think?
In society, do you think women have an 'easy way out', so to speak? Watch
- 17-04-2013 01:19
- 17-04-2013 02:49
For sure they do.
Not only do they have this option but if they want a career, positive discrimination makes it far easier for them to progress in the work place.
Honestly white middle class men are the most unfortunate people in moderm western society.
(Original post by pandabird)
- 17-04-2013 03:55
Give me the rate of feminist threads, and the rate of anti-feminism threads and threads opposing females in some form for 2012/13.
You said 'never'. I don't need to give you a rate, because any rate is more than 'never'.
Anti-feminism threads aren't always anti-women. Sometimes they are, but feminism isn't a uni-directional issue anymore and there are a lot of legitimate counter-points to the validity of many commonly held feminist views. Dismissing concerns about feminism just as automatically as a lot of people dismiss the plights of women only adds to the problem. Suggesting that women should post a few misandric threads just adds to the 'us versus them' mentality'.
Don't get me wrong, I think this thread is stupid, but maybe now you're seeing how certain feminist arguments sound from the other side of the fence.
- 17-04-2013 04:03
How is selling your body an "easy way out"? This is very typical projection. You're seeing this from a man's POV, and as a man, you are willing to have sex with women below your league and you assume women are the same (false), you assume that casual sex have the same potential consequences for men and women (false) and that all these things can go on over time without any long time impact on her health/reputation/lifestyle (false).
If these things are so damn easy, how come all women aren't doing it?
Prostitution is not something that can go unnoticed in the long run. By that time, a woman has excluded herself from getting a man with options. She has also done great damage to her own self esteem and self worth.
There are only so and so many very wealthy men out there. They have their choice with women. The women they choose are both beautiful, feminine, sweet and loyal. The rest of the women have to settle for normal men.
And btw, even though any girl can pay a friend to take pictures of her, not every girl can be a model. And of those who are models, only a handful makes decent money. Models typically live 10 girls together and eat out of soup cans, while they are planning their retirement at 27, at which point they have little to show for.
Neither men nor women have it harder. They have advantages and disadvantages each. I'm pretty much an anti-feminist - not that I don't believe in equal rights and voting and all that **** we're actually done with a long time ago, but I pretty much agree with the sexual double standard and that women and men are biologically different, which makes radical feminists pretty much my opposite.
As a young woman, I see the advantages and disadvantages of being a woman. And even at that, I'm an attractive and privileged woman, so luckier than most. I do not think I am luckier than the men I've dated. I do believe that attractive and wealthy men have more power than attractive women. If managed well, their power is also long-term. These are the men it's natural for me to compare myself to, so I'm not likely to think that women have it "so much easier".Last edited by Millie228; 17-04-2013 at 04:12.
- 17-04-2013 04:05
My answer to OP: I'm going to just dismiss the prostitution suggestion, because it's not exactly a happy career prospect for most young women looking to get a leg up in the world.
I don't think I've ever heard a woman say, 'damn, this is one tough job climate. Ah well, I can always have total strangers put themselves inside me for cash.' I don't doubt content sex workers exist, but it's probably less of a dream job than a lifetime of retail for most, wouldn't you say?
Anyway, some women can marry into rich families as an alternative to having a career. But only provided they're very good looking -- which is just an expression of luck in the genome raffle, which can manifest in all sorts of ways if you're willing to take gender out of the equation. For example, some men gifted with the genes that make them predisposed towards athleticism become professional footballers -- it's not something we can all do. Some people of either gender are straight up born into rich families.
But what about the women who don't go down that route, ie; most? The vast majority of them earn less than men of equal position in most areas of business. What about the women in parts of the world who don't just have the option to marry into unhappy relationships for financial reasons but are forced to by family members? I'd still say that in the grand scheme of things, more women are screwed over by being born into their gender than manage to use it to their advantage.
- 17-04-2013 09:31
I think some people are forgetting that men have the option to become stay at home parent too.