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    (Original post by Eb1234)
    The care system is horrific. But why is nobody asking questions like: what sort of families are children in care being born into? How do we strengthen those families? Do we have a system where anyone can now get pregnant and the state will foot the bill, replacing the role of a father figure?
    Of course it'd be better for children not to go into care, but life isn't sunshine and lollipops. No matter what you do, there will always be crappy parents out there so this debate will always exist.
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    Yes, kids adopted with gay parents may well get bullied. However, they will have a family to love and support them through it. Kids in care often also go through hell. The difference? They don't have nearly as much emotional support.
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    Can children refuse to be adopted and could they potentially refuse to be adopted by a gay couple?
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    Adoption by same-sex couples has been legal for some time. There do not appear to have been any major issues, indeed all evidence points to success rates and outcomes comparable to any other adoption.
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    Well as long as theyre not illegals in our country
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    Yes there are thousands of children in care, but that isn't because of the government not wanting gay couples to have children, it's because the system of adopting is extremely, ridiculously slow!

    Plus, I think people are uncomfortable with children having gay parents, because it goes against all that nature taught is for thousands of years! It is unnatural and so raises a certain instinct within human beings but because society has taught us not to discriminate gay couples people either keep their mouths closed, be passive aggressive and voice their opinions on the likes of twitter and Facebook or be more vocal about what they believe in or even physically aggressive.


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    (Original post by hollywoodbudgie)
    Following this thread on yet another gang being found guilty of grooming and sexually exploiting girls, I felt that rather than people banging on about their hatred for Muslims, (when clearly the issue (if you believe there is one) is a cultural one, not a religious one), I thought it would be more relevant to have a debate on gay rights for child adoption.

    The children that were groomed were all from backgrounds of care and thus the most vulnerable children. Statistics from the who cares trust found that:

    • Almost 40% of prisoners under 21 were in care as children
    • 1/4 of young women leaving care are pregnant or already mothers, and nearly half become mothers by the age of 24
    • Almost 1/3 of children in care leave school with no GCSEs or vocational tests like GNVQs.
    • Only 6% of care leavers go to university - compared with 38% of all young people


    Stuart Hazell, who murdered Tia Sharp, was 'the son of a prostitute and a jailbird who grew up in care' that 'became hooked on booze at 13 and received his first criminal conviction a year later.' 'As a teenager, he lived on the streets and claimed he was raped in a homeless hostel in Soho when he was 16.'

    Hazell is most likely an extreme example, however, it is certainly found that children in care are far more likely to be sexually abused, have problems with crime, drugs and mental health than their peers.

    So given what a negative impact of being in care for a child is, I find it shocking that people can be so opposed to gay people adopting children.

    Even if you so adamantly believe that a child being raised by a male and female figure is the best form of care, surely you cannot be naive enough to understand that, given the amount of children in care and the lack of people adopting, this simply cannot be the case a lot of children. Thus, surely it would be far better for the child to grow up with gay parents than in care at all?

    Besides this point, research into children with a lesbian or gay parents find no effect on their relationship and neither on the child’s socialising or mental health. Yes, perhaps a child may be teased a bit for having gay foster parents, but, as horrible as this sounds, a lot of children are teased and a bit of teasing is certainly the 'lesser of two evils' considering the fate a child may have if left in care.

    Moreover, gay couples, given that they cannot have a biological child that genetically that belongs to both parents, may be more open to adoption than that of straight couples that often turn to IVF.

    In short (stealing from wiki ), same sex adoption in the UK is not a "gay rights" issue but one of providing as many children as possible with a stable family environment rather than seeing them kept in care.

    Thank you for the read.
    (when clearly the issue (if you believe there is one)

    Don't you believe there's an issue? Whether guided by religion or culture the fact is that there are pakistani pedophiles grooming white girls for their sexual gratification. Is this an "issue"? You bet it is.
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    (Original post by germankid101)
    A Father gives something to a child that a mother cannot give, and a Mother gives something to a child that a Father cannot give
    Do you have a citation for this? Because all the evidence shows that children thrive in an environment of love, support and security, and that this is the essential ingredient rather than a particular gender of one of the parents.

    In my opinion the primary objective should be that a child is brought up by a mother and a father, the two biological components needed for the procreation in the first place
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    Why?

    Of course, if there are no opposite-sex couples avaliable to adopt a child, then a same-sex couple in a loving and stable relationship should naturally be taken into account when considering the most suitable home for a child. But the former is more appropriate, in my opinion.
    Again, why? Also, what do you think of gay couples who have their own children?
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    (Original post by germankid101)
    A Father gives something to a child that a mother cannot give, and a Mother gives something to a child that a Father cannot give. In my opinion the primary objective should be that a child is brought up by a mother and a father, the two biological components needed for the procreation in the first place.
    Of course, if there are no opposite-sex couples avaliable to adopt a child, then a same-sex couple in a loving and stable relationship should naturally be taken into account when considering the most suitable home for a child. But the former is more appropriate, in my opinion.
    In my opinion the primary objective should be that a child is brought up to be a happy, healthy and productive member of society.
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    (Original post by germankid101)
    A Father gives something to a child that a mother cannot give, and a Mother gives something to a child that a Father cannot give. In my opinion the primary objective should be that a child is brought up by a mother and a father, the two biological components needed for the procreation in the first place.
    Of course, if there are no opposite-sex couples avaliable to adopt a child, then a same-sex couple in a loving and stable relationship should naturally be taken into account when considering the most suitable home for a child. But the former is more appropriate, in my opinion.
    Now I'm not trying to cause an argument because I am genuinely interested in your opinion. But I grew up without a father, and I fail to see what my mother didn't give me when bringing me up because only a father could give it. What is it exactly I am missing out on?
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    Children with gay parents would have great dress sense.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Children with gay parents would have great dress sense.
    Gay uncle theory: I'm bolstering my nephew's reproductive fitness by teaching him how to colour coordinate.

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    (Original post by mmmpie)
    Gay uncle theory: I'm bolstering my nephew's reproductive fitness by teaching him how to colour coordinate.

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    And people still have the nerve to badmouth. Plebs.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Now I'm not trying to cause an argument because I am genuinely interested in your opinion. But I grew up without a father, and I fail to see what my mother didn't give me when bringing me up because only a father could give it. What is it exactly I am missing out on?
    This. Plenty of people grow up in single-parent families and are fine, and I don't really buy this "ideal family" concept (one mother, one father) that many commenters seem so hung up on. It seems to me like love, support and security are the essential ingredients in bringing up a child, not having a particular gender parent present.
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    (Original post by Rybee)
    Kid I went to school with had 2 lesbian mums, got bullied the **** out of and hanged himself.

    So from my view, that's why. I can't imagine how much worse the bullying would've been if he'd have had 2 gay dads.


    edit: not sure why 3 people have negged the fact that a poor kid hanged himself. TSR users are weird.
    If we encourage homosexual adoption then as a society we can remove the stigma attached and as a result help the children in care and society as a whole.

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    (Original post by Eb1234)
    Just to play devil's advocate here for a minute: before the legalization of gay adoption anywhere, did anybody have any data on what a child's experience being raised by a homosexual couple would be? No, because for millions of year, only straight couples had children. Does nobody worry that these children are essentially part of a social experiment, the outcome of which nobody has any idea of at all?
    Yes, because a lesbian can go and get inseminated and raise her own child with her female partner. A gay couple can have one donate sperm to his partner's sister and she carries their child and then gives it to them. Or, a lesbian could grit her teeth and have sex with a man purely to get pregnant. Gay people had their own kids, and they weren't all taken away by social services and then psychologists asked them to be in studies.
    There's no social experiment, it would be unethical and would never get passed without this evidence from biological parents..
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    (Original post by germankid101)
    A Father gives something to a child that a mother cannot give, and a Mother gives something to a child that a Father cannot give.
    Therefore also saying that single parent families are as bad as gay ones.

    In my opinion the primary objective should be that a child is brought up by a mother and a father, the two biological components needed for the procreation in the first place.
    Any reason for this? If being able to procreate meant you were able to raise a child, there would be a lot less children needing to be adopted (only the ones who's parents had died).
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Now I'm not trying to cause an argument because I am genuinely interested in your opinion. But I grew up without a father, and I fail to see what my mother didn't give me when bringing me up because only a father could give it. What is it exactly I am missing out on?
    Having been brought up by both a Mother and a Father, I can say that from my experience each is able to hold a unique position in the family, and each have unique qualities. I believe this has been beneficial to my upbringing.
    Nevertheless, single parents and same-sex couples can obviously provide a child with a healthy upbringing, just as opposite sex couples can provide a child with an unhealthy upbringing should their relationship be unstable and degenerative.
    I think it's hard to answer your question; what I said comes from my own personal and emotional experience.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Children with gay parents would have great dress sense.
    As Daniel Sloss says, they could never raise a chav, because they'd never let a kid leave the house in a full tracksuit!
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    (Original post by germankid101)
    Having been brought up by both a Mother and a Father, I can say that from my experience each is able to hold a unique position in the family, and each have unique qualities. I believe this has been beneficial to my upbringing.
    Nevertheless, single parents and same-sex couples can obviously provide a child with a healthy upbringing, just as opposite sex couples can provide a child with an unhealthy upbringing should their relationship be unstable and degenerative.
    I think it's hard to answer your question; what I said comes from my own personal and emotional experience.
    I understand you giving your own personal experiences to talk about in an issue like this, however when talking about creating rules and legislation on an issue like this a non-objective and non-bias stance should be taken, only evidence should be looked at not opinions and beliefs, it is only after looking at all the evidence new opinions should be formed (in regards to legislation).
    Also by you saying that single parents and same sex couples can "obviously" provide a child with a healthy upbringing and then go on to say opposite sex couples can provide an unhealthy upbringing should their relationship be unstable and such I kind of feel like you just obliterated your own first argument as you've contradicted your first post where you said you think opposite sex couples should be given children to adopt before same sex couples.
 
 
 
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