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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    I can remember when there was a 4 month waiting list for a landline phone and you might only be allowed a party line. I can remember when building societies would only grant you a mortgage if you had saved regularly with them for 2 years. I can remember towns where every pub sold the same brewer's beer and they were closed during the afternoon.I can remember when you needed a reference to join the local library. I can't remember, but I work with people who can, when there was a legal minimum price for conveyancing. Go back somewhat further and it used to be unlawful for shops to sell goods at below a price fixed by the manufacturer. In the case of books that only stopped in 1995.

    In other words, it wasn't all that long ago, that large parts of the British economy were run in the interests of suppliers. Universities were a legacy of that. There were a fixed number of places created by the government. The suppliers, the universities, determined what courses they would offer, and since demand was greater than supply, applicants had to take what they could get.

    What you are calling trolling, is universities rather clumsily adapting to a new world where there is no fixed supply. Just because a university offers a course doesn't mean there is a demand for it because there will now be a supply of what the applicant really wants to do elsewhere.

    Courses and departments will have to find a demand or close. Next year grade boundaries will be much more closely aligned with demand.

    The next stage will be easier course transfer. 17 year olds know very little about the jobs market. They know of the existence of a relatively few careers. Hitherto niche courses have been able to attract entrants by the controlled course supply and that has fed the professions to which they are allied.

    How do you persuade 17 year olds to apply for fashion accessory design at Nottingham Trent when it has not occurred to them that designer handbags have designers? Hitherto, the university will have simply said that the fashion design course was full or the applicant didn't have the grades. Fashion accessory design becomes a consolation prize. However, in a world where there are enough places for everyone who wants to, to study fashion design; how do you get bums on seats to study handbags and belts.The 17 year old who thinks she will be the next Stella McCartney isn't going to apply if there are an infinite number of places to read fashion design. What you need is for people to be able to transfer in easily from related courses, once the penny has dropped that there are a surfeit of students reading for these popular courses with largely unattainable prospects and there are available alternative career niches requiring specialist skills.
    A reference just to join the library ... well how quaint.

    Yes trollering / clumsy same difference to a large degree.

    What really intrigues me is the fact that certain lower end RG universities seem to be very clumsy every year whereas others like the top end of the 94 group seem to advertise lower intitial entry grades but end up taking from the same pool as the ' RG2 ' come clearing time.

    It's very clear to me that this is much more pro-student rather than put up unattainable grades ( for both uni and student ), mess the students around only to have too fish from the same lot of students anyway come clearing because no enough AAA students want to go there.

    It smacks of fake egotism that is directly detrimental to students and that's bad.
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    Which universities would you define as "RG2"?
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    (Original post by Ben Kenobi)
    Which universities would you define as "RG2"?
    OP is yet to answer.

    I'm guessing we'll never know.


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    There were only 7 universities with no places available in clearing this year. 5 you would expect- Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, LSE. The other two, Bristol and Edinburgh, whilst obviously excellent universities, are not really in the same league. I would also say some of the universities with clearing places (such as Warwick and Durham) are usually considered their superiors.

    So, I think your assertion that it is all down to "RG2" universities playing games with possibly mallicious intent has some flaws.

    I think this year is exceptional, and probably the only year we will see so many top/well regarded univerisities with so many places in clearing.

    Or maybe not. I was told by an admissions tutor that 1/4 of the people they gave places to in clearing had already recieved an offer for a course (i.e. they had not missed their grades for their firm and insurance). Perhaps universities are thinking it is worth going into clearing with a few spaces, as they think they will find a good standard of student to fill them. Perhaps the standard of students in clearing has improved?

    Also, given the changes in the fees system, having a few empty places on a course has a much more significant effect than it did in the past. I believe courses did not usually lose funding if they missed their quota by only a few places. Now, missing the quota by three places would lead to a loss of £81,000 over three years. If you are missing that much funding for every course in the school, or even half of them, that could be quite a big hole in the school's budget. This means there is more of an incentive to fill every place.

    TBH, given the big changes to the system in the past few years, I am not actually surprised to see that they are having knock on effects on university behaviour.
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    RG2? Is this the official robert gordon ranking or is it just one that sixth formers made up?
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    There were only 7 universities with no places available in clearing this year. 5 you would expect- Oxford, Cambridge, UCL, Imperial, LSE. The other two, Bristol and Edinburgh, whilst obviously excellent universities, are not really in the same league. I would also say some of the universities with clearing places (such as Warwick and Durham) are usually considered their superiors.

    So, I think your assertion that it is all down to "RG2" universities playing games with possibly mallicious intent has some flaws.

    I think this year is exceptional, and probably the only year we will see so many top/well regarded univerisities with so many places in clearing.

    Or maybe not. I was told by an admissions tutor that 1/4 of the people they gave places to in clearing had already recieved an offer for a course (i.e. they had not missed their grades for their firm and insurance). Perhaps universities are thinking it is worth going into clearing with a few spaces, as they think they will find a good standard of student to fill them. Perhaps the standard of students in clearing has improved?

    Also, given the changes in the fees system, having a few empty places on a course has a much more significant effect than it did in the past. I believe courses did not usually lose funding if they missed their quota by only a few places. Now, missing the quota by three places would lead to a loss of £81,000 over three years. If you are missing that much funding for every course in the school, or even half of them, that could be quite a big hole in the school's budget. This means there is more of an incentive to fill every place.

    TBH, given the big changes to the system in the past few years, I am not actually surprised to see that they are having knock on effects on university behaviour.

    Disagree the real ranking goes something like this :

    We have Oxbridge which are way ahead of the pack and then a large gap to imperial then a gap to LSE then another gap to UCL/ StAndrews then a gap to Durham and so on.


    In UK we the concept of GAPS which must be included in the ranks



    Whether you talk to this person or that is all hearsay I'm afraid. Why should this year be an exception ? These places are usually in clearing anyway.

    The only reason why they might not be is on due to deliberate action as I have already explained

    It is also obvious that the greater fees will tempt more to go into clearing so that backs up my claim that most unis should be going into clearing.

    That is not the problem.

    The problem is where ' RG2 ' will go into clearing ANYWAY but falsely jack their initial grades to look better than they really are .

    Selfish , cowardly and quite detrimental to students at large.
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