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    (Original post by Drewski)
    How is calling out any less alarming and surprising for a horse than a bell? The point is they get spooked by sudden movements, noises and, in some cases, trees. There's no right way to get past. Ring your bell when you're 50metres away and it's still a sudden noise to them.

    I only encounter horses on the back roads round where I live where there's next to no traffic (there's a reason why myself and the horses are there - no cars) and all I do is slow right down to just above their pace and overtake as wide as possible.
    They aren't so scared by people as a random high pitch ding, your obviously one of the sensible ones passing wide and slow!
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    Then stay back or quit cycling.
    Still havent answered my other question.
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    Still havent answered my other question.
    What, why you deliberately slowing down drivers to piss them off is a bad thing?
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    Then stay back or quit cycling.
    Drivers only do this when they have to, you seem to be of the opinion that drivers everywhere are doing this just to wind cyclists up, I assure you they are not.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Drivers only do this when they have to, you seem to be of the opinion that drivers everywhere are doing this just to wind cyclists up, I assure you they are not.
    Quoted the wrong person? That post is me telling the suicidal OP how to stay alive.
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    What, why you deliberately slowing down drivers to piss them off is a bad thing?
    I wasn't slowing them down to piss them off. Read the post carefully.
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    Quoted the wrong person? That post is me telling the suicidal OP how to stay alive.
    Yeah , meant to quote

    (Original post by peter12345)
    I'm talking about fully slamming on your brakes. The car will always stop first in that scenario.
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    I wasn't slowing them down to piss them off. Read the post carefully.
    You've chosen a too slow method of transport, and are taking it into an environment where everyone else has places to be and things to do. You're also suicidal and expect drivers to save you from your own stupidity,
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    I'm talking about fully slamming on your brakes. The car will always stop first in that scenario.
    I take it you've not tried a decent set of hydraulic discs then?


    (Original post by Drewski)
    How is calling out any less alarming and surprising for a horse than a bell? The point is they get spooked by sudden movements, noises and, in some cases, trees. There's no right way to get past. Ring your bell when you're 50metres away and it's still a sudden noise to them.
    I've come to the conclusion there's just no pleasing some horse riders. I got all kinds of abuse and hand waving when passing a rider who had pulled in to let me by at less than 10mph - the only reason I can think she got so upset was because the tractor/trailer I was driving was making a lot of noise, but that's what unladen trailers tend to do!
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    You've chosen a too slow method of transport, and are taking it into an environment where everyone else has places to be and things to do. You're also suicidal and expect drivers to save you from your own stupidity,
    This is the poorest argument that I have ever heard. Cyclists have every right to be on the road so deal with it.
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    I have a lot of respect for cyclists. I tried once and was terrified that I was going to be killed!
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    This is the poorest argument that I have ever heard. Cyclists have every right to be on the road so deal with it.
    You said this before, and I pointed out that the same could be said for the issues you moaned about in the OP. Except, of course, that your stupidity and ignorance of safe stopping distances could get you as a cyclist killed whilst the worst a driver would likely face in an urban environment is a tow and repair bill.
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    (Original post by Santorum)
    You don't pay road tax so stop complaining.
    Nobody does. There's no such thing. Try again.
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    This is the poorest argument that I have ever heard. Cyclists have every right to be on the road so deal with it.
    We do, but we also have to be aware that we are, generally, the slowest moving form of transport on those roads and the least well protected so therefore must act accordingly. If you fail to do you should have no right to complain - especially legally.
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    Wow, this thread is full of pointless bickering. What the UK really needs to do is implement a cycling infrastructure like the Netherlands did. Their cyclists don't share the road with motorists, which makes everyone safer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuBdf9jYj7o No, that's not something that could happen over night, but it would be something worth investing in, I think, rather the alternative people are suggesting here, which seems to be "put up, or shut up".

    (Original post by Santorum)
    You don't pay road tax so stop complaining.
    You might be interested to know that "road tax" hasn't existed since the 1937. You pay tax for emissions. http://ipayroadtax.com/
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    We do, but we also have to be aware that we are, generally, the slowest moving form of transport on those roads and the least well protected so therefore must act accordingly. If you fail to do you should have no right to complain - especially legally.
    Your post smells of "cyclists are slow and unprotected so must give into motorist bullies on the road". If I need to take the centre of the lane I need to take the centre of the lane. It's not my choice, it's whoever designed the road's fault. Motorists can just be more patient.
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    Your post smells of "cyclists are slow and unprotected so must give into motorist bullies on the road". If I need to take the centre of the lane I need to take the centre of the lane. It's not my choice, it's whoever designed the road's fault. Motorists can just be more patient.
    You evidently chose to ignore the "we" part. I'm a cyclist. I cycle more miles than I drive atm, but I do so sensibly. I'm aware that I'm a vulnerable road user so cycle accordingly.

    Motorists do need to be more patient and aware of the needs of cyclists. But cyclists also need to be aware of the needs of motorists. Respect and courtesy is a two-way street.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    You evidently chose to ignore the "we" part. I'm a cyclist. I cycle more miles than I drive atm, but I do so sensibly. I'm aware that I'm a vulnerable road user so cycle accordingly.

    Motorists do need to be more patient and aware of the needs of cyclists. But cyclists also need to be aware of the needs of motorists. Respect and courtesy is a two-way street.
    I have no idea what your point is. What part of sometimes I have to take the centre of a lane whether I would like to or not don't you understand. Therefore arguments that I must be considerate and let cars in front are invalid because sometimes I can't without compromising my safety.
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    (Original post by peter12345)
    I have no idea what your point is. What part of sometimes I have to take the centre of a lane whether I would like to or not don't you understand. Therefore arguments that I must be considerate and let cars in front are invalid because sometimes I can't without compromising my safety.
    'My point' stems from the first post of yours I quoted which said:

    (Original post by peter12345)
    Cyclists have every right to be on the road so deal with it.
    ..and my problem is specifically the last 4 words.

    The best road users - regardless of what vehicle they're using - and the considerate road users who give everyone else the time and the space they need. With the statement I quoted of yours it sounds like you are anything but a considerate road user. And if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

    Stop taking a holier than thou attitude. Just because you're on a bike does not give you divine right to the road any more than being in a car does.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    'My point' stems from the first post of yours I quoted which said:



    ..and my problem is specifically the last 4 words.

    The best road users - regardless of what vehicle they're using - and the considerate road users who give everyone else the time and the space they need. With the statement I quoted of yours it sounds like you are anything but a considerate road user. And if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

    Stop taking a holier than thou attitude. Just because you're on a bike does not give you divine right to the road any more than being in a car does.
    That was in response to someone who said cyclists shouldn't be on the road because they are too slow. If someone makes an arrogant post they will get an arrogant response. Read the thread properly next time
 
 
 
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