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Feminist theory states that gender is a construct of society.
Thats how.

Also please dont dotdotdot, drives me insane...
Fair enough I hate receiving dotdotdots as well.

But no way is that true. Feminism is about equal rights and opportunities, not about pushing the notion that genders are completely equal in their bodies and mind.

I'm a feminist and know that men are women are completely different, with different sets of weaknesses and strengths.
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Neither. Sexism, towards men and women exists, but it's not the only source of inequality.

Roughly 50% of the population is male, and roughly 50% is female. Neither set of genitalia is a source of automatic privilege. Cherie Blair and Samantha Cameron look a hell of a lot more privileged to me than this disabled man, featured in an article about bedroom tax. http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk...ed_Nelson_man/

Similarly, David Cameron and George Osbourne also look a hell of a lot more privileged to me than this disabled woman who got issued with the bedroom tax on the her lift. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/...edroom-3009466

You can't lump men and women into two bunches, and declare that the members of one group are automatically better off in our society than the other. To do so is to ignore the effects of class, disability, race and many other issues.
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(Original post by pandabird)
Fair enough I hate receiving dotdotdots as well.

But no way is that true. Feminism is about equal rights and opportunities, not about pushing the notion that genders are completely equal in their bodies and mind.

I'm a feminist and know that men are women are completely different, with different sets of weaknesses and strengths.
No you are a sexist who 1) doesn't reply to posts 2) thinks they are in a role of authority, and thinks somehow you can tell me what I can and can't do and 3) does not understand what feminism is (wakey wakey, it is not about equality anymore!)
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(Original post by xoxAngel_Kxox)
To be honest, you might feel as though women have more advantages, but at least you didn't have to fight for centuries to even be seen as a human being.
Neither did you.
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(Original post by the mezzil)
No you are a sexist who 1) doesn't reply to posts 2) thinks they are in a role of authority, and thinks somehow you can tell me what I can and can't do and 3) does not understand what feminism is (wakey wakey, it is not about equality anymore!)
I do reply to posts. I'm not repeating myself to you Mezzil if you can't remember look back through your history.

I think you've misinterpreted literal and non-literal speech, I wasn't trying to force you to remove your avatar I was just insinuating that it's hypocritical of you because of your post content.

Wakey wakey, I have a much less distorted opinion of feminism than your dear, dear self.
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(Original post by pandabird)
Fair enough I hate receiving dotdotdots as well.

But no way is that true. Feminism is about equal rights and opportunities, not about pushing the notion that genders are completely equal in their bodies and mind.

I'm a feminist and know that men are women are completely different, with different sets of weaknesses and strengths.
I really dont think feminism is about equal rights and opportunities, more equal outcomes. 50/50 and all that.

The 50/50 relates to the theory, as with feminist theory it means it should be possible, as any gender difference is infact a construct of society.
Ofc evidence against the theory, alot. And little agreeing with it.
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I really dont think feminism is about equal rights and opportunities, more equal outcomes. 50/50 and all that.
How come?
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Women in the west, men elsewhere.
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(Original post by pandabird)
How come?
I did quickly edit it btw. :d

And because feminist often want 50/50 of male/female in jobs for instance.
EG CEO's of businesses, or on the board. That's not to say I dont really think we should encourage more women to go onto the board of businesses, just that insisting on quotas is stupid and insulting.
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(Original post by GrumpyCat)
I did quickly edit it btw. :d

And because feminist often want 50/50 of male/female in jobs for instance.
EG CEO's of businesses, or on the board. That's not to say I dont really think we should encourage more women to go onto the board of businesses, just that insisting on quotas is stupid and insulting.
Yeah you're right. The only problem is its so hard to implement equal opportunities without having some form of quotas. I agree that they're counter-productive for equality but how else could you enforce equal opportunities? :/ Sorry for the rushed reply btw, I'm out at the minute.
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Yeah you're right. The only problem is its so hard to implement equal opportunities without having some form of quotas. I agree that they're counter-productive for equality but how else could you enforce equal opportunities? :/ Sorry for the rushed reply btw, I'm out at the minute.
Then it isnt equal opportunities, it's the very opposite.

You'd have two sets of entry requirements, one for women and one for men. It's the total opposite of equal opportunities.
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It's a core feminist belief is it not? That gender is a social construct?
Question wasn't directed at me but I think they mean the attributes assigned to each gender are a social construct, not gender itself.
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Women.
Sorry, but the ultimate privilege still comes from being a white man. No question. If you see battles you need to fight, then fight them, don't expect every one else to do it for you. Women after all have had to fight for countless years in order to get our voices heard. Did you know rape within marriage was still legal until 1991?
We still have:
-Rape culture
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-...b_3368577.html - especially read 'rape culture and politics)
Politicians will always use this as a way to get the female vote, about how bad it is & what they will do about it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-victims.html
If there was a rape culture then, surely it would not be possible for men to rape women; instead of the reverse situation the law is now? Sensible people know rape is wrong, just as they know 50 Shades is 'wrong/fiction'.


-Everyday sexism, we can't walk down the street, even today, without encountering it! (https://twitter.com/EverydaySexism)
If this is the only thing you r worried about then it is a privileged situation.

-Unequal pay (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20223264)
Stats show that UK women in 20s earn more (as more at & entering Uni) & women in 30s earn ~1% less. They rest will be to do with traditional women who did not need to work much, as provided by men.
Did you know that part time UK women earn more then part time men? If u do then you know how the wage gap of ~19% is calculated & the factors why men earn more.
Marketing targets women, because they r responsible for spending. Just because men r providing 72% of tax revenue slaving in a job, doesn't mean they spend it - mainly gets used by women; think of a slave in the field & the master at home.


-Extremely unrealistic expectations of beauty and body image.
(http://mediasmarts.ca/body-image/bod...-and-magazines) Women have this as well, but not young women when many guys are chasing them. You will set urself up, when you compete with other women. Men have been programmed to find beauty & women resources; status objectification. But OKCupid did see women quite harsh regarding men's looks & Dating in the Dark made me realise the shallowness of women.


-Domestic violence (89%, roughly speaking, victimised women. I know men are abused too, and there is growing support for you guys, but women are still the main victims. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21372875)
It doesn't 89% anywhere? That's the % of homeless men, compared to women. Stats r in picture. Also DV commonly comes out of the blue in divorce cases, as leverage; has been used to get no jail time for women murdering men who committed DV to them. Kiranjit Ahluwalia got an award from Cherie Blair for killing her husband & a film with Aishwarya Rai as her.

I could go on.
Do, hopefully I can help you get some facts.

Not to mention the absolutely henious crimes against women that go on every single second around the world.
http://womensrightsworldwide.org/
Society like that does protect their women, by men in war sacrificing themselves for the greater good. When have women been called on to sacrifice their lives for men?
Guys still hold the power. End of.
Female Supremacy vid. If you watch a lotta MSM (mainstream media), u will not see the real picture.
If you r teaching the next generation, then it is even more important that u don't get fooled.

(PS I went to Rougemont school, near ur uni.)
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-paid less, less likely to get promoted

All women's whines revolve around apparently being pressured to look good and apparently being underrepresented in work. Both are the fault of women themselves. Women put pressure on themselves to look good for no man is going to reject a woman for not wearing makeup and women are underrepresnted in work because they don't push hard enough. Look at Asians in this country, look how successful they are now. Do you think Asians could own all the shops in a town in the 50s? No there would be riots but they worked hard kept fighting the barriers and took over. All women do is sit down and whine about the glass ceiling.
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Politicians will always use this as a way to get the female vote, about how bad it is & what they will do about it.
If there was a rape culture then, surely it would not be possible for men to rape women; instead of the reverse situation the laws is now? Sensible people know rape is wrong, just as they know 50 Shades is 'wrong'.
I don't actually see your point? Your last sentence makes no sense...do you know what 'rape culture' is? It's a culture in which rape is not 'acceptable' in terms of the law,I'm not claiming that there isn't progress that way, but instead rape culture is where 'prevalent attitudes and practices normalize, excuse, tolerate, and even condone rape'. If you had read my source, you will see there are disturbing practices and attitudes today that do just that. Even through mediums like porn. That could be a whole seperate issue, but in terms of this, extremely submissive women, verging on the point of being uncomfortable of unwilling, are quite normal, and this is what young people are being exposed to.

If this is the only thing you r worried about then it is a privileged situation.
Clearly it's not, thus the list, but it's these little grievances that build in to something much larger and should not go unchallenged.

Stats show that UK women in 20s earn more (as more at & entering Uni) & women in 30s earn ~1% less. They rest will be to do with traditional women who did not need to work much, as provided by men.
Did you know that part time UK women earn more then part time men? If u do then you know how the wage gap of ~19% is calculated & the factors why men earn more.
Marketing targets women, because they r responsible for spending. Just because men r providing 72% of tax revenue slaving in a job, doesn't mean they spend it - mainly gets used by women; think of a slave in the field & the master at home.
Would have liked to have seen a source, and still not entirely convinced, but I will concede a bit that the pay gap is becoming less of an issue.

(http://mediasmarts.ca/body-image/bod...-and-magazines) Women have this as well, but not young women when many guys are chasing them. You will set urself up, when you compete with other women. Men have been programmed to find beauty & women resources; status objectification. But OKCupid did see women quite harsh regarding men's looks & Dating in the Dark made me realise the shallowness of women.
When did I say it was just men doing the objectifying? It's a societal problem.


It doesn't 89% anywhere? That's the % of homeless men, compared to women. Stats r in picture. Also DV commonly comes out of the blue in divorce cases, as leverage; has been used to get no jail time for women murdering men who committed DV to them. 1 Indian woman got an award from Cherie Blair for killing her husband & a film with Aishwarya Rai as her.
The 89% was a separate source, sorry for not clarifying. Are you saying that women who are beaten and abused, physically, psychologically, sometimes sexually should be thrown in jail for defending themselves? That is absurd. With all due respect I no longer wish to talk about that anymore with you, as it is a very personal issue, and you so clearly do not understand. I don't want to get irrational. Don't respond to this comment.


Not to mention the absolutely henious crimes against women that go on every single second around the world.
http://womensrightsworldwide.org/
Society like that does protect their women, by men in war sacrificing themselves for the greater good. When have women been called on to sacrifice their lives for men?
Excuse me?! First of all, women are thankfully allowed to joing men in the Armed forces and services. Secondly societies in which rape is common place, FGM is standard, and women are not allowed basic rights, are not societies which protect women!!

If you watch a lotta MSM (mainstream media), u will not see the real picture.
I read some 'MSM', but I also watch and read media which exposes the truth behind women's rights. For example, hundreds of women every year have to travel from Ireland (a 'developed' country), in order to secure an abortion, or the fact that many thousands of women in the US that wish to use contraception, are poorly educated, unable to get help, discouraged from using it, or have the places that make it available (planned parenthood etc) bombed! Not that sexual education in the UK is great.

(PS I went to Rougemont school, near ur uni.)

I see. I don't know the area really, but I know that's a private school...cool beans.
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It's a core feminist belief is it not? That gender is a social construct?
Is it? :s
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Then it isnt equal opportunities, it's the very opposite.

You'd have two sets of entry requirements, one for women and one for men. It's the total opposite of equal opportunities.
What? How would having two sets of entry requirements work? That's a load of nonsense.

If a role for a particular job had requirements and involved abilities that a male is more likely to have, then so be it. A male is more likely to get the job because he is more likely to be more suited. That's not the issue, the issue is when there's unjust discrimination, when a woman is perfectly suited for a role but her ability is underestimated purely because she's a woman and not a man. Not because she doesn't have the skills or doesn't meet the requirements, but when she's at an unfounded disadvantage simply because of her sex. That happens a lot in the business place. I completely fail to see how having different entry requirements would work and how that's pro-equality.
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As far as I'm concerned, "rape culture" is a fantasy. Here's a video that destroys the concept of "rape culture" in my opinion:



Also check out The Amazing Atheist's video "There's No Rape Culture!". I'd post it but TSR only allows one video per post for some reason.
I can't watch the video right now. Can you summarise it?
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Is it? :s
It's one of feminism's core beliefs o.O Haha perhaps its worth looking, since it's kind of one of the central principles of feminism.


(Original post by pandabird)
What? How would having two sets of entry requirements work? That's a load of nonsense.

If a role for a particular job had requirements and involved abilities that a male is more likely to have, then so be it. A male is more likely to get the job because he is more likely to be more suited. That's not the issue, the issue is when there's unjust discrimination, when a woman is perfectly suited for a role but her ability is underestimated purely because she's a woman and not a man. Not because she doesn't have the skills or doesn't meet the requirements, but when she's at an unfounded disadvantage simply because of her sex. That happens a lot in the business place. I completely fail to see how having different entry requirements would work and how that's pro-equality.
I think you've misunderstood me. I don't want two sets entry requirements, I'm stating that quotas will lead to having two sets of entry requirements, just to ensure 50/50 balance.

Just to reconfirm your view, For/against quotas? And why.
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