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This won't solve anything. Why do people refuse to solve the underlying problem. Why are these supposedly experts so out if sync with reality.

Making age of consent lower will only benefit pedophiles. Want to get more more youths using health service, improve health education and health promotion.




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(Original post by Genocidal)
Exactly. It's like the legal age for alcohol and smoking. Nobody really pays any attention to it.
Well I'd say its more like driving at 90mph on the M6, lots of people are at it, there are no contraints and the chance of being stopped is zero.

With alcohol/**** at least retailers are whipped into not selling them. For speeding and sex you have the means of committing the 'crime' in your own hands.
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It shouldn't happen
Think of all of the kids who will think they need to have sex at an even younger age when probably not knowing about protection etc
I'm not saying all 15 year olds but the majority of them will NOT be able to cope with having a baby and looking after it at such a young age
Besides.. If they had a baby aged 15 they wouldn't be able to work nor claim any proper benefits to keep the baby clothed and fed etc until aged 16+
It will be a terrible move if it happens

Edit: *My point of this is that it will probably only worsen the problem. If people can't talk to their parents, teachers etc already then it's not going to help a hell of a lot*
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(Original post by Mankytoes)
but until you're eighteen you should only be allowed to shag people two years older.
This is the crux, nobody really cares about people of the same age at it safely, they do care about a 45yo getting with a 13yo....
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I think people shouldn't be so fixated on the age of consent. Clearly it's an issue that just requires common sense on a case by case basis.

The age of consent really is to stop considerably older people preying on the young. It's not designed to stop a 16 year old having sex with a 15 year old. If teenagers want to have sex they'll have sex. Lowering the age will just give creeps in their 40s an excuse to go one year youngeer yet stay with in the law.
yeah I concur - I'm 15 and to be fair they don't really care about teenager on teenager - it's just to stop people like Jimmy Saville
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I have to disagree with the underlying assumption here that teenagers shag purely because it's cool, promoted by media and legal. They primarily shag because it's a natural urge when you're pubescent. I didn't have sex until I was nineteen, but it wasn't through choice- well, not my choice. How many fifteen year old boys would actually turn down sex? You can't legislate against human nature.
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All that will happen is instead of a 16 year old and a 15 year old or two 15 year olds, it'll be a 15 year old and a 14 year old or two 14 year olds. Jesus just maintain a benchmark ffs. It's going to be reduced to four years old if we keep going at this rate.

I don't believe a third of children are shagging under the age of 15. Perhaps a third of Geordies, but not England-wide.
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I'm not certain that lowering the age of consent will make much of a difference. Are promiscuous early teens even that aware or concerned about their legal rights?
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(Original post by Mankytoes)
How many fifteen year old boys would actually turn down sex?
Depends on the girl - trust me I am a 15 year old virgin.

Wait hang on a minute I have turned down sex - does that mean I'm gay?

Jokes I'm not gay - it's just that unlike quite a lot of 15 year old boys I have half a brain
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(Original post by blue n white army)
I think people shouldn't be so fixated on the age of consent. Clearly it's an issue that just requires common sense on a case by case basis.

The age of consent really is to stop considerably older people preying on the young. It's not designed to stop a 16 year old having sex with a 15 year old. If teenagers want to have sex they'll have sex. Lowering the age will just give creeps in their 40s an excuse to go one year youngeer yet stay with in the law.
Much of this problem was the result of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 which criminalised a lot of behaviour that was not criminal before. The way it was decided to deal with gymslip love as it used to be called, was prosecutor's discretion or as you put it common sense on a case by case basis.

The main problem is that the criminality that one is concerned with is often not that of the young persons having intercourse but say the social worker who condones it rather than taking steps to stop it. The other problem with common sense is that it comes under a lot of pressure from angry parents for example wanting to see the boy gaoled. When schools, social services departments and hospitals start having to write policies, they have to work on the law as it is, not how they hope a prosecutor might view a crime after it has taken place.

The answer is not reducing the age of consent but rather revisiting the 2003 Act which was an appalling piece of Daily Mail lawmaking.
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I agree that there will always be people who have sex under-age, whatever the age of consent is, and raising it wouldn't necessarily stop people having sex at that age. But to me, lowering the age of consent just seems like a step in the wrong direction. Sure, there's already 15 year olds who have sex, but lowering the age to 15 will just make people more likely to have sex then, because that will be seen as the 'accepted' age to have sex. There's already lots of pressure on, particularly, girls to have sex at a younger age, and this change would only make that worse. Again I don't deny that some 15 year olds are mature enough, but most teenagers, generally, will be less mature at 15 than 16.

It seems like such a backward society when you can have sex at 16 but can't smoke, buy alcohol, vote, or even look at porn until 18 years old. I agree that something needs to be done about teenage pregnancy, stds etc, but I think lowering the age of consent will only worsen this. I believe the answer lies in education (of both boys and girls), support, and availability of sexual healthcare.
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(Original post by Dumachi)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24976929

From what I have seen it seems like a bad idea, to many youngsters having children and wrecking there lives.
It's probably just the age the PM lost his virginity at.
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Depends on the girl - trust me I am a 15 year old virgin.

Wait hang on a minute I have turned down sex - does that mean I'm gay?

Jokes I'm not gay - it's just that unlike quite a lot of 15 year old boys I have half a brain
Fair point, what I meant was "how many fifteen year old boys would turn down sex with someone they find attractive?".

Like most fifteen year old boys you are keen to make it clear you aren't gay though....
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I was 15 when I lost my virginity and I think that it was a good age to do it.
Did the whole experience make you wiser?
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Did the whole experience make you wiser?
I was emotionally mature enough for it. I was ready and don't regret it.
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I personally don't care what age everyone is having sex - people should care more about their lives. If someone becomes a parent at age of 12, well too bad for them, not me.
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On the other hand I prefer countries where sexual consent is agreeable from the age of 18 and onwards. Less chances of adolescents getting pregnant and ruining their lives. Underage sex seems very disgusting to me (no personal attack).
why the hell do you care about someone 'ruining their live'? It's their problem, not yours. this country is ruined not by youngsters having sex, but people who stick their nose in EVERY ****ing problem they see and act like they know something about it. this causes so much ******ry in all political arguments, because people with an IQ of a sandal's sole try to solve problems that don't and won't ever have anything to do with them, hence the government comes up with ridiculous solutions which only mess up the situation more than it was.
their problem - not yours, period. deal with it
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(Original post by Mankytoes)
Like most fifteen year old boys you are keen to make it clear you aren't gay though....
Yeah... that's because I'm sick of society saying that I'm gay (people say I am because I haven't had a girlfriend or first kiss yet). Personally I don't see what all the hype's about.
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I fully understood what you said, but it bares no relevance to this thread whatsoever.
Ok, I'll explain it in simpler terms for you. I was AGREEING WITH YOU. I was saying yeah, it is girls being stupid and not something we can control, but what I disagreed with was the oft-repeated line you used 'let them do what they want, it's their body' well, yeah it is their body but as I tried to say - when you're pregnant and create a child, it is an independent life not the personal property of those that created it. So I don't think we should just 'leave them to it' because society bears the ills of their inadequate parenting.

This is relevant because that's the only reason I'm concerned with the age of consent - the surrounding teenage pregnancies.
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Rather being it lowered, it should be raised!

The idea is nothing short of ludicrous.
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