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So the British government can't be a terrorist because it's the British government? Speaking of governments, would you not call the USA's mass dropping of bomb in random places in the Middle East anything but an act of terrorism?
Kindly indicate when that has ever happened.

Bombs have not been dropped en mass for many years. It is simply wasteful. All bombs are aimed. None are dropped 'willy nilly' from aircraft. Some may have been aimed incorrectly, but that is categorically not the same thing as being dropped "in random places".

By all means debate, but use facts when doing so.
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If you have a very loose definition of the word, possibly...

"the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation (terror) in the pursuit of political aims."

States (or at least, the British State) do(es) not aim or intend to inflict terror and when it does use or threaten military intervention it is doing so (99.9999% of the time) with legal authority. The only targets of such military intervention are those which would never succumb to terror (ie, you can't terrorise an Army, they are trained to expect and deal with violence).

I always find the "states are terrorists" argument to be very vague.
Loose or generic? It's a bit like saying humans aren't animals because the definition is "loose."
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Loose or generic? It's a bit like saying humans aren't animals because the definition is "loose."
Well then, define terror. Can someone who's dead feel terror?

It's a feeling, not a discernible quality. What scares you might be very different to what scares me. But the aim of terrorism is to instill fear, to make one be terrorised.

I fail to see how that definition can be leveled at States or Governments*.



*At least, democratic Governments
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Kindly indicate when that has ever happened.

Bombs have not been dropped en mass for many years. It is simply wasteful. All bombs are aimed. None are dropped 'willy nilly' from aircraft. Some may have been aimed incorrectly, but that is categorically not the same thing as being dropped "in random places".

By all means debate, but use facts when doing so.
I know it was a while ago but:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...fghanistan.usa

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-children.html

Just Google drones and you'll find lots of stories about innocents being killed.
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Well then, define terror. Can someone who's dead feel terror?

It's a feeling, not a discernible quality. What scares you might be very different to what scares me. But the aim of terrorism is to instill fear, to make one be terrorised.

I fail to see how that definition can be leveled at States or Governments*.



*At least, democratic Governments
The swarm of drones hovering around cities in the Middle East is sure to cause someone fear.
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I know it was a while ago but:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...fghanistan.usa

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-children.html

Just Google drones and you'll find lots of stories about innocents being killed.
That's not the same thing.
Acting on bad intelligence and aiming incorrectly or malfunctioning is not the same as aimless carpet bombing, which is what "at random" implies.

(Original post by PeaceTreaty)
The swarm of drones hovering around cities in the Middle East is sure to cause someone fear.
It may well do, but that is not their intent. And intention matters.

Some people get scared by Wasps. Are they terrorists? Are dogs?
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That's not the same thing.
Acting on bad intelligence and aiming incorrectly or malfunctioning is not the same as aimless carpet bombing, which is what "at random" implies.



It may well do, but that is not their intent. And intention matters.

Some people get scared by Wasps. Are they terrorists? Are dogs?
Is 2001 recent enough for you? Even if it isn't, it doesn't excuse those actions:

http://www.rawa.org/s-kill2.htm
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Loose or generic? It's a bit like saying humans aren't animals because the definition is "loose."
well actually its not - no matter how you define animal, human will always fall under that category, providing it is a correct definition. The more details to a large extent do not matter, the outcome is the same. Hence you can be sure a human can be defined as an animal.

Your view is only defined by the most general definitions, and even then by subjective judgement. Your application of terrorism to the government is highly dependant on the exact words used - hardly a sound arguement.
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Is 2001 recent enough for you? Even if it isn't, it doesn't excuse those actions:

http://www.rawa.org/s-kill2.htm
US forces - how does that make british forces terrorists?
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Is 2001 recent enough for you? Even if it isn't, it doesn't excuse those actions:

http://www.rawa.org/s-kill2.htm
One unreliable source.

Yes, I'm convinced. The US has obviously been carpet bombing every inch of the entire middle east for the entirety of the past decade and more...
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One unreliable source.

Yes, I'm convinced. The US has obviously been carpet bombing every inch of the entire middle east for the entirety of the past decade and more...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...tan.terrorism6
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Carpet bombed a Taliban position in the remote hills. With no evidence of any bodies. And based on testimony from a taliban commander.
Watertight.
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And how would targeting a known Taliban outpost fit the description of "random"?
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And how would targeting a known Taliban outpost fit the description of "random"?
Depends what they define as a Taliban outpost.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1119-01.htm

A city 20% Taliban's, 80% civilians? Anyway this debate has gotten rather stale so I'll leave it to that.
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Carpet bombed a Taliban position in the remote hills. With no evidence of any bodies. And based on testimony from a taliban commander.
Watertight.
Read my latest reply to the other guy. Anyway I'm done arguing.
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Because they are the only terrorists.
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Because terrorists are renown the world over for their massive humanitarian aid training.

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The people on that ship are the exact same class of people in the Army. They joined the Armed Forces to serve their country and they are out saving lives.
Aside from the colour of their uniform they are quantifiably no different to anyone in the Army at all.

You still want to be so quick to label them terrorists?
Yeah but the humanitarian stuff is just another day at work for most of them. What I mean is that the typical guys who sign up to the military will go anywhere their seniors tell them to. So peacetime work makes them no more noble then the wartime work. It's just a job for them. They're grunts. That's why I personally think nothing special of the military at all. I feel no direct hate, but I don't feel like they deserve any special social status above any other person in normal civilian life.

Soldiers and 'terrorists' are exactly the same to me. Some good, some bad. There's an equal mix of morons everywhere in the world.

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intertsing..
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Ah yes, unlike those lovely Al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters who do such wonderful things as cut off somebodies penis, stick it in their mouth, and then set them on fire.
Please let the DailyMail know that neither Taliban or Al-Qaeda do this.

Thanks.
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Please let the DailyMail know that neither Taliban or Al-Qaeda do this.

Thanks.
Nope, they abduct children and behead them instead of the whole penis lark.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/22842512
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