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    (Original post by Minju)
    Look how family life was back in this country 60 or more years ago and now look at it, it's in complete shambles. Teenage pregnancies across the board,
    At a lower rate than ever before.

    abortions,
    Aren't increasing.

    half of kids in this country are born with one parent,
    Not true.

    kids stabbing each others etc....
    Happens a lot less than ever before.

    Modern lifestyle ( drinking,
    Happens a lot less than ever before.

    smoking,
    Happens a lot less than at any time since it was introduced.

    taking weed)
    Has been a lot more common in the past.
    Women got habituated to modern type of dressing which makes them look bad wearing the more 'modern' they look pretty much equates to wearing less and less clothes .
    This isn't true.

    Manners like respecting parents, teachers, the elderly,etc seem to not exist any more,kids are cursing at their own parents.Children seem fearless now to adults because they know they have more rights ... :mad:
    "Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates, sometime in the 5th century BC.

    (Original post by Minju)
    Peer pressure-most teens, even younger are around people who smoke and drink.
    Less so than ever before.

    Nowdays in modern society fi you don't drink or do drugs they will consider you as a 'reject'.
    Less so than ever before.


    (Original post by Hariex)
    I welcome it!

    Let's me list the things that I liked about the days of old:
    [LIST][*]There were no supermarkets, meaning the community relied on small businesses
    And people starved to death.

    [*]People referred to elders as "Mrs and Mr so-and-so"
    Irrelevant.

    [*]There was little regard for health and safety
    So people were horribly injured and died in easily preventable ways.

    [*]Children played cricket and football all day long
    When they weren't busy working ridiculous hours in absurdly dangerous situations from the moment they could walk, or starving to death.

    [*]England was good at sport
    Yeah, no.

    [*]People were more welcoming with strangers
    Some of us still are.

    [*]Young men were taught to be gents instead of "lads".
    No they ****ing weren't. A fraction of one percent were. The rest weren't taught anything much at all.

    [*]Houses were cheaper due to more space
    And due to being badly built ****holes that collapsed all the time.

    [*]Food was almost always home-cooked. Did you know that the compliment used to be "that looks homemade" rather than "that looks shop-bought"?
    And there wasn't enough of it.

    [*]Divorce was extremely uncommon
    Because laws forcing people to stay in abusive relationships are totally a good thing, right?

    [*]The dress sense was far more modest. I feel that the excessive display of skin implies sexual connotations, even if these are not intended.
    It doesn't. The problem here is entirely in your mind.

    [*]The men used to dress up in dinner jackets just to go to somebody' house.
    How is that relevant?

    [*]The music was new and original - Duke Ellington, The Beatles, etc.
    Were all hated by exactly the people that liked all of the other things you've mentioned above - a feeling that was mutual.

    [*]Children were more inventive with their leisure time
    You give children these days very little credit.

    [*]Everybody played the piano. Pianos were a house feature in those days.
    This has never, ever, been true. There are more people playing the piano today than ever before.

    [*]Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby were gods
    What's changed?
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    Yes.

    Drugs. Porn. Dumbed down education. Materialism. Nihilism. Atheism ( loss of spiritual dimension ). Hyper individualism. Consumerism. Political correctness.....

    All of these things have contributed to the dramatic moral and intellectual decline in Britain in the past 50 years.
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    (Original post by imtelling)
    Yes.

    Drugs. Porn. Dumbed down education. Materialism. Nihilism. Atheism ( loss of spiritual dimension ). Hyper individualism. Consumerism. Political correctness.....

    All of these things have contributed to the dramatic moral and intellectual decline in Britain in the past 50 years.

    Yes each generations is getting worst.:mad:
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    (Original post by Minju)
    Look how family life was back in this country 60 or more years ago and now look at it, it's in complete shambles. Teenage pregnancies across the board, abortions, half of kids in this country are born with one parent,kids stabbing each others etc....

    Modern lifestyle ( drinking, smoking, taking weed) has had an adverse affect on human behaviour in my opinion.

    Women got habituated to modern type of dressing which makes them look bad wearing the more 'modern' they look pretty much equates to wearing less and less clothes .

    Manners like respecting parents, teachers, the elderly,etc seem to not exist any more,kids are cursing at their own parents.Children seem fearless now to adults because they know they have more rights ... :mad:

    What's dangerous is when the moral standards decrease, the respect of others also decreases.

    What do you think?

    You've given no reasoning why these things are
    a) modern
    b) immoral

    Thus I'm afraid your argument fails to really even qualify as an argument.
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    (Original post by cole-slaw)
    You've given no reasoning why these things are
    a) modern
    b) immoral

    Thus I'm afraid your argument fails to really even qualify as an argument.
    You're claiming that knife crime isn't immoral? Looks like we really are in moral decline.
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    Yes, modern culture is destroying moral values and any semblance of a functioning society. Modernity shows that change is not always better and new values are not necessarily superior to the old ones. As OP said, single-parenthood is epidemic, drug and alcohol use is unprecedented, there is absolutely no respect for authority and what's happening is a complete meltdown of moral values.

    People try to show that modern society is more tolerant than it used to be, but again, this isn't true - the witch hunt is still going strong, it's just that the victims are now the oppressors and the oppressors are now the victims. People show, how we've become tolerant of sexual minorities, yet do not mention how intolerant we've become of those who do not agree with liberal sexual values. Liberals watch with glee as conservatives are vilified and demonized as backwards and supposedly bigoted. There is immense ideological pressure to agree with modern liberal values and any sort of dissent is classified as xenophobia, racism, homophobia, bigotry or whatever.

    Drug and alcohol use is unprecedented. There is nothing more disgusting to see a drunk girl - a picture that would have been unimaginable in more refined past eras. Binge drinking was a phenomena associated with the underclass, to whom drunkenness was the only escape from poverty - yet now, binge drinking is no the de facto recreation of everybody, both the poor, the middle and the rich. These days, people will give you strange looks if you do not dull your senses with alcohol and weed.

    Families have completely been disintegrated. Single-parenthood is epidemic and the government is doing all it can to damage the traditional family even more, by rewarding sexual indulgence and by perverting the marital institution by legalizing gay marriage - this sends the implicit message that marriage exists only for the satisfaction of your carnal desires, not for unity, growth and sustainability or bonds deeper than mere sexual desire. The complete absence of any sort of sexual morality has lead to a major increase of STD-s, illegitimate children, broken families and has facilitated a culture completely obsessed with instant gratification.

    Deviant behavior and poor lifestyle choices are not only encouraged by the current system, but actually rewarded. Practice has shown that if you have a stable relationship with a child on the way and you need larger housing - then the local council will send you right to the bottom of the list. However, if you are a single mother who has 5 different children with 5 different men - the the local council will reward you with a mansion. The implicit message is clear - live a carefree life full of sexual indulgence and irresponsibility and you'll be rewarded with free money in the form of benefits and large housing, complements of the tax payer.

    Educational standards have also largely decreased. We spend more on education than ever before and the results are horrifying. With ever decreasing standards, this problem will become even more prevalent.

    All this is topped with low fertility where we have to bring in third world immigrants who would have children for us. The average white european is more likely to not have children, more likely to divorce, more likely to abort their pregnancies and more likely to have less children than the third world immigrant counterparts. This is the result of rapid individualism, where children are seen as an impediment to personal happiness rather than something intrinsically valuable of its own.

    Modern culture is destroying Europe. Darwinian selection, however, is punishing us accordingly - the conservatives and the religious will simply outbreed the decadent liberals and that will be the end of it. The future looks grim and Eurabia is on the horizon.
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    (Original post by Zorgotron)
    Yes, modern culture is destroying moral values and any semblance of a functioning society. Modernity shows that change is not always better and new values are not necessarily superior to the old ones. As OP said, single-parenthood is epidemic, drug and alcohol use is unprecedented, there is absolutely no respect for authority and what's happening is a complete meltdown of moral values.

    People try to show that modern society is more tolerant than it used to be, but again, this isn't true - the witch hunt is still going strong, it's just that the victims are now the oppressors and the oppressors are now the victims. People show, how we've become tolerant of sexual minorities, yet do not mention how intolerant we've become of those who do not agree with liberal sexual values. Liberals watch with glee as conservatives are vilified and demonized as backwards and supposedly bigoted. There is immense ideological pressure to agree with modern liberal values and any sort of dissent is classified as xenophobia, racism, homophobia, bigotry or whatever.

    Drug and alcohol use is unprecedented. There is nothing more disgusting to see a drunk girl - a picture that would have been unimaginable in more refined past eras. Binge drinking was a phenomena associated with the underclass, to whom drunkenness was the only escape from poverty - yet now, binge drinking is no the de facto recreation of everybody, both the poor, the middle and the rich. These days, people will give you strange looks if you do not dull your senses with alcohol and weed.

    Families have completely been disintegrated. Single-parenthood is epidemic and the government is doing all it can to damage the traditional family even more, by rewarding sexual indulgence and by perverting the marital institution by legalizing gay marriage - this sends the implicit message that marriage exists only for the satisfaction of your carnal desires, not for unity, growth and sustainability or bonds deeper than mere sexual desire. The complete absence of any sort of sexual morality has lead to a major increase of STD-s, illegitimate children, broken families and has facilitated a culture completely obsessed with instant gratification.

    Deviant behavior and poor lifestyle choices are not only encouraged by the current system, but actually rewarded. Practice has shown that if you have a stable relationship with a child on the way and you need larger housing - then the local council will send you right to the bottom of the list. However, if you are a single mother who has 5 different children with 5 different men - the the local council will reward you with a mansion. The implicit message is clear - live a carefree life full of sexual indulgence and irresponsibility and you'll be rewarded with free money in the form of benefits and large housing, complements of the tax payer.

    Educational standards have also largely decreased. We spend more on education than ever before and the results are horrifying. With ever decreasing standards, this problem will become even more prevalent.

    All this is topped with low fertility where we have to bring in third world immigrants who would have children for us. The average white european is more likely to not have children, more likely to divorce, more likely to abort their pregnancies and more likely to have less children than the third world immigrant counterparts. This is the result of rapid individualism, where children are seen as an impediment to personal happiness rather than something intrinsically valuable of its own.

    Modern culture is destroying Europe. Darwinian selection, however, is punishing us accordingly - the conservatives and the religious will simply outbreed the decadent liberals and that will be the end of it. The future looks grim and Eurabia is on the horizon.
    Haha funny read you've got the my friend
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    You're claiming that knife crime isn't immoral? Looks like we really are in moral decline.
    No, we're claiming that it's not modern.

    (Original post by Zorgotron)
    Yes, modern culture is destroying moral values and any semblance of a functioning society. Modernity shows that change is not always better and new values are not necessarily superior to the old ones. As OP said, single-parenthood is epidemic,
    It really isn't.

    drug and alcohol use is unprecedented
    At an unprecedented low, you mean..

    , there is absolutely no respect for authority and what's happening is a complete meltdown of moral values.
    Be specific. Which "moral values"?

    People try to show that modern society is more tolerant than it used to be, but again, this isn't true - the witch hunt is still going strong, it's just that the victims are now the oppressors and the oppressors are now the victims. People show, how we've become tolerant of sexual minorities, yet do not mention how intolerant we've become of those who do not agree with liberal sexual values. Liberals watch with glee as conservatives are vilified and demonized as backwards and supposedly bigoted. There is immense ideological pressure to agree with modern liberal values and any sort of dissent is classified as xenophobia, racism, homophobia, bigotry or whatever.

    No, racism and homophobia are classified as racism and homophobia. I see no problem whatsoever with vilifying people for being ********s.

    Drug and alcohol use is unprecedented.
    No it isn't.

    There is nothing more disgusting to see a drunk girl - a picture that would have been unimaginable in more refined past eras.
    Not in any way.

    Binge drinking was a phenomena associated with the underclass, to whom drunkenness was the only escape from poverty - yet now, binge drinking is no the de facto recreation of everybody, both the poor, the middle and the rich.
    Both halves of this statement is bull****.

    These days, people will give you strange looks if you do not dull your senses with alcohol and weed.
    False.

    Families have completely been disintegrated.
    No they haven't.

    Single-parenthood is epidemic
    No it isn't.

    and the government is doing all it can to damage the traditional family even more, by rewarding sexual indulgence and by perverting the marital institution by legalizing gay marriage - this sends the implicit message that marriage exists only for the satisfaction of your carnal desires, not for unity, growth and sustainability or bonds deeper than mere sexual desire.
    No. Marriage is, and always has been, a purely legal institution. It is, and remains, a method of two individuals acquiring certain (over 1,000 at the last count) legal rights with respect to each other. You are also assuming (for no reason whatsoever) that gay marriages aren't there for unity, growth and sustainability. This is bull****.

    The complete absence of any sort of sexual morality has lead to a major increase of STD-s, illegitimate children, broken families and has facilitated a culture completely obsessed with instant gratification.
    Wrong on all points.

    Deviant behavior and poor lifestyle choices are not only encouraged by the current system, but actually rewarded. Practice has shown that if you have a stable relationship with a child on the way and you need larger housing - then the local council will send you right to the bottom of the list.
    This is a lie.

    However, if you are a single mother who has 5 different children with 5 different men - the the local council will reward you with a mansion.
    As is this.

    The implicit message is clear - live a carefree life full of sexual indulgence and irresponsibility and you'll be rewarded with free money in the form of benefits and large housing, complements of the tax payer.
    Not true in any way.

    Educational standards have also largely decreased. We spend more on education than ever before and the results are horrifying. With ever decreasing standards, this problem will become even more prevalent.
    Educational standards are better than they have ever been, by every single metric.

    All this is topped with low fertility where we have to bring in third world immigrants who would have children for us. The average white european is more likely to not have children, more likely to divorce, more likely to abort their pregnancies and more likely to have less children than the third world immigrant counterparts. This is the result of rapid individualism, where children are seen as an impediment to personal happiness rather than something intrinsically valuable of its own.
    No. Low fertility rates are directly related to gender equality, low childhood death rates, and wealth. None of these are things anybody should be willing to sacrifice, especially in an already overpopulated country.

    Modern culture is destroying Europe. Darwinian selection, however, is punishing us accordingly - the conservatives and the religious will simply outbreed the decadent liberals and that will be the end of it. The future looks grim and Eurabia is on the horizon.
    Thankfully, "religious conservatives" (for which read what you really mean, which is "bigots") are a shrinking minority, pretty much everywhere.
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    (Original post by BlueSam3)
    No, we're claiming that it's not modern.



    It really isn't.



    At an unprecedented low, you mean..



    Be specific. Which "moral values"?




    No, racism and homophobia are classified as racism and homophobia. I see no problem whatsoever with vilifying people for being ********s.



    No it isn't.



    Not in any way.



    Both halves of this statement is bull****.



    False.



    No they haven't.



    No it isn't.



    No. Marriage is, and always has been, a purely legal institution. It is, and remains, a method of two individuals acquiring certain (over 1,000 at the last count) legal rights with respect to each other. You are also assuming (for no reason whatsoever) that gay marriages aren't there for unity, growth and sustainability. This is bull****.



    Wrong on all points.



    This is a lie.



    As is this.



    Not true in any way.



    Educational standards are better than they have ever been, by every single metric.



    No. Low fertility rates are directly related to gender equality, low childhood death rates, and wealth. None of these are things anybody should be willing to sacrifice, especially in an already overpopulated country.



    Thankfully, "religious conservatives" (for which read what you really mean, which is "bigots") are a shrinking minority, pretty much everywhere.
    Responding "false" and "lie" to other people's points doesn't constitute an argument. Learn how to debate.

    Are you really denying that teenage pregnancy is on the rise and that teenage mothers get council houses? Seriously?

    Are you also denying that single parenthood is on the rise and this has negative effects on children? Again, seriously?
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    Responding "false" and "lie" to other people's points doesn't constitute an argument. Learn how to debate.
    They haven't provided any evidence or argument in support of their claims, so there's no substance to rebut.

    Are you really denying that teenage pregnancy is on the rise and that teenage mothers get council houses? Seriously?
    No, I'm denying that they are prioritised above the other groups mentioned.
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    (Original post by BlueSam3)
    They haven't provided any evidence or argument in support of their claims, so there's no substance to rebut.



    No, I'm denying that they are prioritised above the other groups mentioned.
    You claimed that single parenthood was not on the rise and that families are not being disintegrated. This is incorrect.
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    (Original post by BlueSam3)
    No, I'm denying that they are prioritised above the other groups mentioned.
    They are prioritised. If you have children you jump to the top of the social housing queue.
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    People have complained about declining moral standards and have longed for the "golden days" in every generation stretching back forever. Unless society has been going downhill consistently since the Roman empire, perhaps people are just looking at the past with rose tinted goggles.

    Just a few obvious points to make: violent crime is statistically at one of the lowest points ever. Smoking, which people love to point out everybody is doing, is less popular than it has been since it's introduction. Drinking, you must be having a laugh if you think we are the first generation of Brits to be really into that. Drug use has been steadily declining (with the exception of cannabis and I think Ecstasy)
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    They are prioritised. If you have children you jump to the top of the social housing queue.
    I'm guessing you're not a scientist, or fan of facts either.

    To be placed in the highest bands on housing registers, you have to have extenuating circumstances mainly revolving around disabilities and overcrowding, or being threatened with homelessness. So unless the young girl with the baby has to share a bedroom in her parents home with a sibling, or they are threatened with homelessness, they will be waiting for years for a council property. Unless there is a rapid turnover of tenancies in their particular Borough.

    Teens often used to collect and trade guns during school, during these so called golden days. Due to the widespread availability of guns after the two World Wars. Violence was also massively under reported/documented, there were also a lot fewer laws to break.

    In regards to education, the shear amount of knowledge around today, is exponentially greater, than back in the so called glory days. Children were beaten with a cane, by their teachers. The diversity of subjects being taught was infinitely more restricted, as was the input of students into their education.

    I could go on for pages and pages, in regards to this sentimental rubbish. We are a lot more tolerant and liberal as a society, and that can only ever be a positive. In regards to drugs, cocaine and opium use was extremely widespread. People died in the streets from alcohol poisoning, and smoking was marketed as the best thing you could ever do.

    Liberalism is not to blame for any of today's problems, capitalism and it's dog eat dog ethos, takes that crown. There is nothing more Darwinian than capitalism. This is what is negatively impacting social cohesion.

    The fact that far right bigoted religious individuals are on the decrease in the West, is definitely a positive. The fact that these people cry loudly about the good ol days is hilarious. These individuals, disproportionately make up a large percentage of those that benefit most from the current anhilistic economic system, which is both destroying the planet and the opportunity for any kind of positive existence for future human societies.
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    (Original post by Minju)
    Look how family life was back in this country 60 or more years ago and now look at it, it's in complete shambles. Teenage pregnancies across the board, abortions, half of kids in this country are born with one parent,kids stabbing each others etc....

    Modern lifestyle ( drinking, smoking, taking weed) has had an adverse affect on human behaviour in my opinion.

    Women got habituated to modern type of dressing which makes them look bad wearing the more 'modern' they look pretty much equates to wearing less and less clothes .

    Manners like respecting parents, teachers, the elderly,etc seem to not exist any more,kids are cursing at their own parents.Children seem fearless now to adults because they know they have more rights ... :mad:

    What's dangerous is when the moral standards decrease, the respect of others also decreases.

    What do you think?

    BRAVO BRAVO :france:
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    (Original post by BlueSam3)
    They haven't provided any evidence or argument in support of their claims, so there's no substance to rebut.



    No, I'm denying that they are prioritised above the other groups mentioned.
    As much as its possible to win a thread, you've clearly won this one.
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    (Original post by BlueSam3)
    snip
    There isn't much to respond here and you could have saved your time by simply quoting my entire post and disagreeing with it than quoting in in part and disagreeing in part.

    Fact of the matter is that i'm not going to waste my time digging up studies and referencing data for some guy on the internet. While I probably exaggerated some of it, it's equally clear that you're deluded if you think my post is completely wrong.

    All you have to do is go into poverty zones or to the streets at friday nights to see our enlightened civilization.
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    I miss the good old days when children could be worked to death, beat your slaves and rape them, feed your children opium and alcohol to keep them quite, gin was cheaper than food, buy cocaine, cannabis and morphine from any chemist and rape your wife and not get put in prison.
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    What is and what is not 'moral' is, with a few exceptions, subjective. The folks who preach 'morality' on a daily basis do not seem to realise this.
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    Technology, although it's pretty damn awesome, definitely has its downsides.
    Was at Nando's a couple of weeks ago...kinda sad seeing a family of 5 (including a toddler) all playing games/texting on phones
 
 
 
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