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    (Original post by ChocolateFace123)
    Ok apologies, I may of misinterpreted what you said originally.


    I agree they wouldn't allow a person to preach atheism/distribute blasphemous books openly in public. But there are literally loads of atheists, they aren't open about it simply because it would not be wise to do so, which is a problem I agree. But hopefully things will change soon. But it's not like we can claim to be champions of freedom of speech as shown with the Snowden case. Saudi isn't as daunting as most people portray though, if I went to a mosque in Saudi and told the Imam I'm an atheist, he'd probably start giggling and say I'll make a dua (prayer) for you. There isn't an omniscient Inquisition - Pornography, Promiscuity, Drugs is rampant throughout Saudi, it's just undercover.

    Well some of the phrases you used certainly seemed like Dawkins'. I agree there are abhorrent passages in the Bible and Quran. But I think it's not as simple as- God punishes people in hell forever = therefore he's a tyrannical bully. Or God asks us to worship him = therefore he's a raging ego-maniac.

    Religion is far more nuanced than that, Al Ghazali (famous Islamic scholar) believed hell was seperation from God, and he uses the hadith which states (paraphrased) - 'those who have even a mustard seed of faith will enter into heaven' as proof for his argument that everyone will go to heaven eventually. The idea of a hell is a human construct, but there's a good reason for this, different people require different incentives to act morally.

    For others God acts as an agent to keep their ego under control, which is a relationship I think is much needed in the society we live in. Not because constantly feeding one's ego is inherently wrong, but because it's unhealthy and isn't conducive to social cohesion, often causes family/marital problems.

    I agree that religion is man-made, but I think it's idealistic to say the least to think we can somehow abandon/throw out religion (which is the solution these New Atheists propose)- it's part of who we are, and has aspects to it that are useful which we should use. It's easy for the likes of Dawkins to spend his time brooding with a cup of earl grey tea over rational sources of morality in the suburbs of Oxford. But for normal people around the world, especially in poor areas - the idea of a God provides emotional stability, brings together communities, creates a sense of obligation towards fellow human beings. So for me, the new atheists are out of touch, and are proposing a solution that's attractive to those who live lives not having to worry about basic necessities such as food, water and shelter.
    Oh of course, I agree with much of what you say. Chucking out religion is hardly a solution as it would simply cause a lot of outrage and frustration. Religious people are perfectly entitled to continue the life they're comfortable with, I just disagree with many of the false notions some of them have regarding non-religious folk.

    I also disagree equally, by the way, with the insufferable new age atheists who claim all religious people are stupid and deluded and that religion serves no good.
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    (Original post by TroyAndAbed)
    Not really to do with the subject but I don't see how partying is wasting your life if that's what you want to do. Our time on earth is so short that if someone wants to party, why shouldn't they? If someone wants to do anything that doesn't hurt others, why shouldn't they? People waste so much time trying to uphold their reputation instead of just living. Well in 200 years, nobody who knew you is going to be alive so what good is your reputation going to do you then? If you want to spend your life praying, do it. If you want to spend your life partying, do it. Don't try & make others feel bad for their choice to make yourself feel better though.
    This. Aside from religious dogma there's no objective reason why praying and worshipping God is time better spent than partying.
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    This is all horribly judgemental. One side is judging the other for following their religion, suggesting they're all fanatical prudes. The other side is judging people who like to party, drink etc and suggesting they're all promiscuous junkies. Of course there are extremes on both sides. As long as no one's harming anyone else, let people do what they want, it has nothing to do with you.
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    (Original post by lerjj)
    au contraire, not acting on impulse is an incredibly unhealthy way to live. That's why you have impulses.
    Well, doing something for temporary happiness is not, in my opinion, a healthy way to live.
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    (Original post by ZahrahBlack)
    This is all horribly judgemental. One side is judging the other for following their religion, suggesting they're all fanatical prudes. The other side is judging people who like to party, drink etc and suggesting they're all promiscuous junkies. Of course there are extremes on both sides. As long as no one's harming anyone else, let people do what they want, it has nothing to do with you.
    This sums it up, really.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Not muslim, just FYI:

    How could you eat this cute thing?!

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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Really your categorically stating over a billion individuals are insane because they don't agree with your perception?

    The issue here is really that the OP made a gross generalisation, so the responder made a generalisation to counter-point the thinking and show the OP the logical error.

    Leave it at that.
    How is it a generalisation, it's a fact,
    all real Muslims do none of those things that I listed.
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    (Original post by ZahrahBlack)
    This is all horribly judgemental. One side is judging the other for following their religion, suggesting they're all fanatical prudes. The other side is judging people who like to party, drink etc and suggesting they're all promiscuous junkies. Of course there are extremes on both sides. As long as no one's harming anyone else, let people do what they want, it has nothing to do with you.
    I don't think it's judgemental I actually think it's quite important to find out why other people choose to live the way they do, without discussion we won't learn, I'm allowed to have this opinion and I personally feel that religious people are missing out for the sake of a heaven that may not even exist.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Well, doing something for temporary happiness is not, in my opinion, a healthy way to live.
    So in guessing you gain no happiness from buying new clothes, eating a nice meal, watching the sunset, kissing someone you love, reading a good book etc cause it's all temporary happiness and the healthiest way to live is to do none of these things and....wait for an afterlife??
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    If someone is happy with how they live then its really non of anyone's business, if their life is not boring to them then they are not "boring."
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    (Original post by iamintorture)
    Everything is a no no , by this I specifically mean Muslims, no alcohol, no pork, no music (sometimes), no sex, no fun! Life is too short. Whenever I'm out with my Muslim friends I actually feel like sorry for them since they haven't actually lived. What if there's no afterlife?!
    and what if there is afterlife??
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    (Original post by iamintorture)
    Everything is a no no , by this I specifically mean Muslims, no alcohol, no pork, no music (sometimes), no sex, no fun! Life is too short. Whenever I'm out with my Muslim friends I actually feel like sorry for them since they haven't actually lived. What if there's no afterlife?!
    You haven't live if you haven't had that perfect piece of bacon or gotten hung over. They believe that there is an afterlife so they behave the way Allah tells them too so they can live the way they want to it is a choice of living. They live a "dull" life so they can have the best life later.


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    (Original post by mightyfrog2_10)
    and what if there is afterlife??
    Then I don't want my life to be based on fear and anyhow I cannot believe any kind god would let me burn in hell for having a glass of wine with my food.
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    Ignorance is bliss. Some may have experienced the pleasures of this world but those who don't won't know what's its like. Its good in a way. I firmly believe that if one is at peace they needn't go for those which have listed that satisfied their bodily desires. You shouldn't judge. If they are happy with how they live their lives then let them be. Ignorance is bliss.
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    (Original post by mightyfrog2_10)
    and what if there is afterlife??
    The problem is that the muslim afterlife is only one version. There may well be an afterlife where no one is punished for anything they did on earth. What then?
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    (Original post by iamintorture)
    So in guessing you gain no happiness from buying new clothes
    I don't actually get happiness from buying clothes, but yeah, I see your point.

    What I'd say to these is that these moments of happiness are founded upon long-term happiness. Buying clothes, whilst the action might be fulfilling, allows for benefits in the long run. You now have a choice of wardrobe, the ability to express yourself, etc.

    eating a nice meal,
    If you decide to dine at a place which you can't afford, I would question that action. In other cases, you might be in a stable financial position for you to take these kinds of leisure.

    watching the sunset,
    I obviously wouldn't have a problem with this considering that it is not destructive in any sense.

    kissing someone you love,
    If you are willing to invest time into a relationship then yes, these things will be natural. Love is obviously not something related to temporary happiness.

    reading a good book etc cause it's all temporary happiness and the healthiest way to live is to do none of these things and....wait for an afterlife??
    The point that I am trying to make is that we should not base our lives around destructive things purely because of temporary happiness. For example, I would not get drunk at parties because it is an activity that does not contribute to anything. I would not gamble my money in large quantities because it could be detrimental to my financial situation. However, when we have long-term happiness already established (relationships, money) then temporary happiness is not a problem.

    Also, some things for temporary happiness are no harm to anyone - it's only the destructive activities justified by temporary happiness that I am concerned with.
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    They're also naive and stupid.
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    (Original post by iamintorture)
    Then I don't want my life to be based on fear
    I certainly don't believe my life is based on 'fear' this life is a test hence why we live for short period of time, so we have to make the best use of it by pleasing God and being rewarded in the hereafter (which we believe lasts forever).

    and anyhow I cannot believe any kind god would let me burn in hell for having a glass of wine with my food.
    no lol you won't be sent to hell for having a glass of wine with food, it's about the implications of drinking and the many other things that displease God. God does send anyone to hell for this reason alone though the judgement is based on your good deeds and bad deeds.
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    (Original post by De Mortimer)
    The problem is that the muslim afterlife is only one version. There may well be an afterlife where no one is punished for anything they did on earth. What then?
    sorry if this offends anyone but the afterlife we believe to be the right one and the only one that exists.. you're either punished or rewarded by God.
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    (Original post by Mr...)
    You haven't live if you haven't had that perfect piece of bacon or gotten hung over. They believe that there is an afterlife so they behave the way Allah tells them too so they can live the way they want to it is a choice of living. They live a "dull" life so they can have the best life later.


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    You really believe a person hasn't lived till they eat bacon, or destroy their body with alcohol?
    That is not life, that is destruction.
    You haven't lived till you have made the once in a lifetime trip to makkah and madinah, you haven't lived till you have experienced ramadan and the feeling of sitting just before eating time having fasted all day long and think to yourself I could have gone a on some more hours.
    You haven't lived till you pray tarawiih after an amazing imam with beautiful moving recitation
 
 
 
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