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    (Original post by Dinaa)
    Hahaha :lol: yeah i do. Should've been clearer sorry
    Lols, i'ma just leave cuz i am a ****ty arguer :P
    But basically my point was. Not everyone has the same beliefs and values alright m8 :lol:
    I agree to an extent but Britain should be very careful when allowing immigrants from 'danger zones'. I'm essentially Irish but if the troubles kicked of again and the provos started placing bombs round London, I would be pretty ****ed off if some Graun journalist said it was racist to limit the numbers of Irish people coming here, or at least keep tabs on them
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    (Original post by Dinaa)
    That is so stupid. Just because the minority have beliefs and values like that doesn't mean the whole majority does. I'm an Afghan and i don't think it is right to kill anything. You should watch the film Lone survivors. The film is great because it isn't biased. It shows good and bad Americans. And it also shows good and bad Afghans. Not all Afghans believe the same BS. No offence but you need to find a life. Without those countries you named, England would be ****ty. Lacking in cultural diversity. When you lack that you lack many other things.
    Yes without those countries we wouldn't have people wearing the veil, poppy burnings, "sharia zones", hate preachers, arranged marriages and genital mutilation.

    How would we ever cope? :rolleyes: Cultural diversity is one of the most overrated ideas in the world.
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    (Original post by interact)
    Also, Islam dosen't punish someone who has suffered from rape, what rubbish & lies.
    May be not, but here has been plenty of cases where the followers of Islam have, and used it as a reason to do so.
    Dont worry though, I am sure the young girls have understood the difference.
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    If you think Islam condones this then you're stupid, end of.
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    (Original post by BullViagra)

    where did religion come in? this is about culture.

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    what makes you assume its about culture?
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    (Original post by Dinaa)
    That is so stupid. Just because the minority have beliefs and values like that doesn't mean the whole majority does. I'm an Afghan and i don't think it is right to kill anything. You should watch the film Lone survivors. The film is great because it isn't biased. It shows good and bad Americans. And it also shows good and bad Afghans. Not all Afghans believe the same BS. No offence but you need to find a life. Without those countries you named, England would be ****ty. Lacking in cultural diversity. When you lack that you lack many other things.
    The majority being peaceful is frankly irrelevant if they do nothing at all to combat the minority extremists in their midst. For too long moderate Muslim leaders have refused to deal with problems like this, instead simply shrugging and saying 'well I'm in the peaceful majority so it's not my problem' and then pulling out the 'Islamophobia card'. If you have a problem in your society bloody deal with it.
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    I agree to an extent but Britain should be very careful when allowing immigrants from 'danger zones'. I'm essentially Irish but if the troubles kicked of again and the provos started placing bombs round London, I would be pretty ****ed off if some Graun journalist said it was racist to limit the numbers of Irish people coming here, or at least keep tabs on them

    Oooooo, is that what you guys meant by 'allowing people from lalalal'..

    O :lol: sorry m8's. I get what ya saying now. Yeah true dat. They should be careful. Imagine if they let someone dangerous in 0.o

    :lol: *walks away*
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    (Original post by KingBradly)
    Can really claim that a culture where this happens is "equal" to our own?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07...nistan-mosque/
    Wow...judging an entire culture by the standards of one event...I could pull up countless examples of atrocities just as bad in the UK, and then debase an entire culture with it...but I won't...because I'm not a bigoted, uneducated moron
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    (Original post by Dinaa)
    Oooooo, is that what you guys meant by 'allowing people from lalalal'..

    O :lol: sorry m8's. I get what ya saying now. Yeah true dat. They should be careful. Imagine if they let someone dangerous in 0.o

    :lol: *walks away*
    I also appreciate it can't be nice seeing what is going on in Afghanistan :/ and I know of people who have come here because they want to escape it themselves
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    (Original post by Aurangzeb)
    Wow...judging an entire culture by the standards of one event...I could pull up countless examples of atrocities just as bad in the UK, and then debase an entire culture with it...but I won't...because I'm not a bigoted, uneducated moron
    Give an example
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    Give an example
    The murder of James Bulger, the Moors murderers, Harold Shipman...now are you going to judge the entirety of the UK population on these heinous acts? No, funnily enough.
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    Give an example
    No reply? No, I didn't think you'd be able to pluck up the cognitive processing ability to do so
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    (Original post by Aurangzeb)
    The murder of James Bulger, the Moors murderers, Harold Shipman...now are you going to judge the entirety of the UK population on these heinous acts? No, funnily enough.
    Because I don't think any of those things were tied to the culture of this country. Viewing your ten year old daughter as 'spoiled goods' because she was raped is an aspect of Afghan and to an extent Islamic culture and therefore can be used to criticise both. The fact a Mullah committed rape means nothing, conversely
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    (Original post by Aurangzeb)
    No reply? No, I didn't think you'd be able to pluck up the cognitive processing ability to do so
    5 minutes to answer a post? What are you on about?
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    Because I don't think any of those things were tied to the culture of this country. Viewing your ten year old daughter as 'spoiled goods' because she was raped is an aspect of Afghan and to an extent Islamic culture and therefore can be used to criticise both. The fact a Mullah committed rape means nothing, conversely
    'I don't think'...What exactly do you know?

    What on earth does it have to do with Islamic culture? And Afghan culture for that matter? And please try and refrain from making generalisations.
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    (Original post by Aurangzeb)
    'I don't think'...What exactly do you know?

    What on earth does it have to do with Islamic culture? And Afghan culture for that matter? And please try and refrain from making generalisations.
    Wow, I obviously touched a nerve.

    Islam places such high value on virginity, and also emphasises the female's own part in her rape that this sort of reaction is hardly surprising.

    As for 'braindead morons like you will believe anything they're told', this is just gold. Coming from someone who has happily lapped up everything their parents and their Imam has said without question, it could not be more ironic. If you had come from a Hindu family, you would be warning me about incurring the wrath of Kali. If you had come from a Roman background c. 0, you would be warning me about ending up in the wrong part of Hades. The fact that you happen to originate from an area that suffered Islamic conquest, means that you are on here defending the honour of Islam instead. I pity you.
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    (Original post by Aurangzeb)
    'I don't think'...What exactly do you know?

    What on earth does it have to do with Islamic culture? And Afghan culture for that matter? And please try and refrain from making generalisations.
    So you didn't actually respond to any of the points he made, just ad-homonim-ed everywhere and strutted around like you claimed victory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

    I did a little bit of background reading concerning honour killing. Aside from Albania it's almost exclusively Middle-Eastern/Asian families. To act like this is an isolated incident (as all of your examples were) is naive, frankly.
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    (Original post by Harvey Dent)
    So you didn't actually respond to any of the points he made, just ad-homonim-ed everywhere and strutted around like you claimed victory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

    I did a little bit of background reading concerning honour killing. Aside from Albania it's almost exclusively Middle-Eastern/Asian families. To act like this is an isolated incident (as all of your examples were) is naive, frankly.
    Don't worry mate, it's the classic Muslim vs Atheist argument:

    Atheist a) is racist b) is right-wing for supporting gay/womens' rights c) believes anything the Mail/Telegraph/Times say almost like they are religious texts themselves....

    Yawn
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    (Original post by Harvey Dent)
    As I said: "I know that religion and culture are not synonymous."
    By "addressing" I did not mean that I changed my opinion to suit yours. I still believe that this incident was, in part at least, caused by the twisted teachings of a barbaric religion that marginalises and restricts women. Honour killings are almost exclusively committed by those who either live in the middle-east and asia or are of middle-eastern or asian descent. Would you like to guess what the most prevalent religion in this part of the world is?

    People will often try to justify culture extremes through religion. Don't take the extreme cases and tar the entire religion with the same brush.

    Eg. In Christianity, people will discriminate gays on the basis that it says in the bible that it is wrong. But in reality they are simply trying to find a credible cause for their bigotry.

    For example, the child abuse scandal in Ireland, which has recently come to light again following the discover of a mass grave filled with the bodies of children, says more about a small sector of Irish society rather than the Christians.
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    (Original post by BullViagra)
    who the hell says that? not a lot of people, i imagine.



    where did religion come in? this is about culture.



    #yourlogic

    where did religion come in? it's about culture.

    even OP, the fantastic islam hater, has mentioned culture - not religion



    some people here are very simple and one dimensional in their thought processes.
    Don't accuse other people of being 'one dimensional' when you clearly don't really understand their perspective.

    Saying that it's about culture, not religion, is rather meaningless. It's a bit like saying that the holocaust was about humans being bad, not Nazism. By which I mean that it's completely true that the holocaust was caused by humans being bad, but it also doesn't change the fact that it was caused by Nazism. Just in the same way, this incident was most definitely caused by their culture, but seeing as their culture is very strictly Islamic, it can also be said that it was caused by their religious beliefs. Culture is literally just the manifestation of peoples religious beliefs, practices, philosophies, arts, ideologies, behaviors, customs, and hierarchies. Religions and the cultures surrounding them are one and the same thing, as they are both shaped by one another. And in the case of Afghanistan, their culture is more shaped by their religious beliefs than anything else, as it is such a strictly Islamic country.

    In a way which is comparable in the right respect so as that it can be used as an adequate example, Nazism is completely impossible to separate from the evil that will always exist in this species. It doesn't change the fact that it helped to give Nazism, and in this case Islam, some blame.
 
 
 
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