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    (Original post by BestProfileName)
    lol

    I also don't understand how STEM is "sit down and learn" if engineering and the sciences requires a lot of practical work. I literally have no idea what you mean by that, unless you've typed it up wrongly.
    It's not a phrase that's really used but I'm trying to say the sciences are very much about learning facts and having set ways of doing things. You know it or you don't know it. It's right or wrong. It's very knowledge based and even though some arts jobs are knowledge based, it's not specialist knowledge that comes from a degree. It could be required by self-teaching where as self-teaching to become a doctor or engineer is pretty much impossible.
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    (Original post by Madeline_H95)
    It's not a phrase that's really used but I'm trying to say the sciences are very much about learning facts and having set ways of doing things. You know it or you don't know it. It's right or wrong. It's very knowledge based and even though some arts jobs are knowledge based, it's not specialist knowledge that comes from a degree. It could be required by self-teaching where as self-teaching to become a doctor or engineer is pretty much impossible.
    In terms of GCSE, A Level and some of undergraduate level, I agree. You can self-teach anything, ultimately. You could get some medical textbooks and use your family as case subjects; it wouldn't be optimal but then neither is trying to teach yourself chemistry without a fully functional lab.

    I do think the legion of kids here need to temper their judgement of subjects considering they've extremely limited exposure (in general) to them.
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    (Original post by BestProfileName)
    In terms of GCSE, A Level and some of undergraduate level, I agree. You can self-teach anything, ultimately. You could get some medical textbooks and use your family as case subjects; it wouldn't be optimal but then neither is trying to teach yourself chemistry without a fully functional lab.

    I do think the legion of kids here need to temper their judgement of subjects considering they've extremely limited exposure (in general) to them.
    Yes, in the end but it's easier to teach yourself Management Studies as it's not really a study at all as managine is on the job finding out what works best, than it is a science. Subject snobs are everywhere...
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    (Original post by Madeline_H95)
    Yes, in the end but it's easier to teach yourself Management Studies as it's not really a study at all as managine is on the job finding out what works best, than it is a science. Subject snobs are everywhere...
    It is possible that what you just typed was intelligible, but I only skimmed it once, it's late and I've no idea what you just said.

    It's certainly easier to teach yourself theoretical physics than it is to teach yourself a really lab-heavy subject - I still don't think it's that much easier. You've got YouTube and online forums. We're not living in the 1970s and 80s anymore; most of the resources are there if you're enterprising enough to look. You'll still need a frikkin' lab though.

    Edit: And frikkin' lasers etc
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    (Original post by BestProfileName)
    It is possible that what you just typed was intelligible, but I only skimmed it once, it's late and I've no idea what you just said.

    It's certainly easier to teach yourself theoretical physics than it is to teach yourself a really lab-heavy subject - I still don't think it's that much easier. You've got YouTube and online forums. We're not living in the 1970s and 80s anymore; most of the resources are there if you're enterprising enough to look. You'll still need a frikkin' lab though.

    Edit: And frikkin' lasers etc
    Yes, which is my point. Non-STEM subjects are easier to self-teach, and sometimes you don't even need to teach them to do a degree in that area. There's nothing a non-STEM degree graduate can do that a STEM graduate cannot do. This is why the OP starts to say non-STEM degrees don't matter.
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    (Original post by Marky Mark)
    HELP.


    Come on man...
    Medics and dentists already have a bad name... haha
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    (Original post by Ruxy)
    No they really don't ! Not all of us are cut off for medicine dentistry or vet it's just overrated. This is why the competition is so big .... There are people that get good grades in science and their first instinct is to go to medicine dentistry or vet and take the places for the people that have lower grades but they are really willing to do medicine dentistry or vet but they can't because other people came and took the places just because it's a good job and it pays very well... This is why you won't find all the time good doctors dentists or vets because they didn't wish this they were either made to do it by parents or just didn't know what they wanted to do with their life and had good grades ...

    All courses matter when it's truly what you want to do. Life and world would be so much easier if people would actually follow their dream and stop looking for money more than their wishes ....


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    First off, you have no basis on why they're overrated.
    Secondly, everybody is paid exactly what they should be - its basic economics.
    Thirdly, the fact you think doctors, dentists and ESPECIALLY vets are 'overpaid' or 'paid very well', indicates you don't have the slightest clue on how much they're actually paid.
    Fourthly, considering that medical,dental and veterinary applicants go through SIGNIFICANTLY more 'hoops' to get onto their courses would indicate in fact they know more about their career/course than any other university applicant.
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    (Original post by Charlizarddd)
    You would just learn french or some **** on the side, not that difficult and quite frankly a degree in Languages is pointless. It just means that you are incapable of learning it yourself.
    You would just learn medicine or some **** on the side, not that difficult and quite frankly a degree in medicine is pointless. It just means that you are incapable of learning it yourself.
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    (Original post by DErasmus)
    You would just learn medicine or some **** on the side, not that difficult and quite frankly a degree in medicine is pointless. It just means that you are incapable of learning it yourself.
    I think the point OP was trying to make is that you can speak french without a language degree, you cant be a doctor/dentist/vet without the specific degree...
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    (Original post by BestProfileName)
    In terms of GCSE, A Level and some of undergraduate level, I agree. You can self-teach anything, ultimately. You could get some medical textbooks and use your family as case subjects; it wouldn't be optimal but then neither is trying to teach yourself chemistry without a fully functional lab.

    I do think the legion of kids here need to temper their judgement of subjects considering they've extremely limited exposure (in general) to them.
    Well you can learn the first half of the medical course through textbooks the clinical years as well as your foundation training and specialty training are irreplaceable. Every patient is different and patients don't usually follow the books. A few family members would do nothing for your medical knowledge or ability
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    (Original post by DErasmus)
    You would just learn medicine or some **** on the side, not that difficult and quite frankly a degree in medicine is pointless. It just means that you are incapable of learning it yourself.
    You clearly don't even study medicine or know anything about it because if you did you would know that a textbook based doctor would misdiagnose perhaps 20% of his patients.
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    (Original post by Okorange)
    You clearly don't even study medicine or know anything about it because if you did you would know that a textbook based doctor would misdiagnose perhaps 20% of his patients.
    Funny because most GPs do a **** job anyways. You assume textbook = self-learning?
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    (Original post by Marky Mark)
    HELP.


    They certainly are amongst the most sought after and most prestigious. They offer rich employment prospects in their fields. No Doctor, Dentist or Vet has ever become Prime Minister or CEO of a top Investment Bank when last I looked?
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    (Original post by DErasmus)
    Funny because most GPs do a **** job anyways. You assume textbook = self-learning?
    Self learning sure as hell isn't spending the day on the wards doing exams, clerking patients, getting pimped by your consultant or registrar and performing procedures now is it....

    I'm sure DErasmus you could do better. Now why don't you "self-learn" all that medicine, and show us how its done.
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    (Original post by Okorange)
    Well you can learn the first half of the medical course through textbooks the clinical years as well as your foundation training and specialty training are irreplaceable. Every patient is different and patients don't usually follow the books. A few family members would do nothing for your medical knowledge or ability
    1. It would do something for your medical knowledge or ability. Your family has many 'patients' in it with various conditions, so to say that it would do nothing is just silly.

    2. I did say it would not be optimal.
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    (Original post by BestProfileName)
    1. It would do something for your medical knowledge or ability. Your family has many 'patients' in it with various conditions, so to say that it would do nothing is just silly.

    2. I did say it would not be optimal.
    Your family may have perhaps a dozen conditions depending on how large it is. Last I checked there are easily over 2000 out there.

    If by not optimal you mean it would be better than leaving them to fend for themselves I agree I guess, but I don't think we aim for our physicians to just be a notch better than "leaving them to die".
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    My last GP was a super hot Oxbridge young lady. Never thought that day would come, they all seem to be 40 somethings in the main.
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    (Original post by Okorange)
    Your family may have perhaps a dozen conditions depending on how large it is. Last I checked there are easily over 2000 out there.

    If by not optimal you mean it would be better than leaving them to fend for themselves I agree I guess, but I don't think we aim for our physicians to just be a notch better than "leaving them to die".
    Is there a particular reason why you so obscenely miss someone's point? Someone made the point that it would be easy to teach yourself a bunch of subjects. I said that you can teach yourself anything, really, but it would be sub-optimal in certain disciplines, such as Chemistry or Medicine.

    And whilst we're at it, you could use friends of family too. "But confidentiality" - I am sure you could, assuming you were sufficiently enterprising and had enough time, get well over 2000 conditions worth of patients - might even take you ten years.

    But at the end of the day, it would be more efficient to simply pursue a medical degree...
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    (Original post by TenOfThem)
    They are if you want to be a doctor, dentist, or vet
    Haha great answer

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    (Original post by Okorange)
    Self learning sure as hell isn't spending the day on the wards doing exams, clerking patients, getting pimped by your consultant or registrar and performing procedures now is it....

    I'm sure DErasmus you could do better. Now why don't you "self-learn" all that medicine, and show us how its done.
    Never said I could just the same principle applies, languages are not easy either how many do you speak?
 
 
 
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