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What :confused:
So 51% of MPs in the House have to vote to override it

in addition to:

67% of MPs who voted, voting in favour.
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So 50% of MPs in the House have to vote to override it

in addition to:

67% of MPs who voted, voting in favour.
Right... I think that may be too Hard to implement. And if we have a majority of the house why ask for more?
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But that is only 33% of the house. What me and O122 are proposing is that we need 50% of all mp's to vote in favour to make sure it is a house majority.
Crypto is saying that there should be 67% of the ones that voted, and 50% of all MPs. If one of those isn't met then there is no veto.

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Not when you do the math.
I did.
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Right... I think that may be too Hard to implement. And if we have a majority of the house why ask for more?
Why would it be too hard to implement, all we need to check is that on the voting, more than 67% of votes were Aye, and that those 67% votes contained more than 25 votes. It's a double lock. If you are going to have a veto, why make it so weak so that you might as we'll have kept the Monarchy?
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Why would it be too hard to implement, all we need to check is that on the voting, more than 67% of votes were Aye, and that those 67% votes contained more than 25 votes. It's a double lock. If you are going to have a veto, why make it so weak so that you might as we'll have kept the Monarchy?
Ok. No I guess I can see that working.
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I'd really rather we kept Parliament sovereign though. The veto at present works well I feel to stop things going through on low turnouts when they shouldn't, but a President shouldn't be able to stop us doing what MPs clearly want.
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I'd really rather we kept Parliament sovereign though. The veto at present works well I feel to stop things going through on low turnouts when they shouldn't, but a President shouldn't be able to stop us doing what MPs clearly want.
Hear, hear!
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Thanks Crypto, 67% was a great suggestion.
Good to see I'm not the only one who likes the idea (and thanks for explaining it, too).
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I'd really rather we kept Parliament sovereign though. The veto at present works well I feel to stop things going through on low turnouts when they shouldn't, but a President shouldn't be able to stop us doing what MPs clearly want.
This was my point when the veto was conceived. IMO, I think its important that there is a veto but also that the veto isn't supreme to make it unoverturnable

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This was my point when the veto was conceived. IMO, I think its important that there is a veto but also that the veto isn't supreme to make it unoverturnable

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Completely agree with you there and I'm happy with the present implementation
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So, presuming we keep the veto the options are

2/3 Majority of votes cast in a motion to override the veto

50.1%+ of all MPs voting to override the veto:

A Simple majority with at least 20MPs voting to override the veto


Which one would people prefer?
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(Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
So, presuming we keep the veto the options are

2/3 Majority of votes cast in a motion to override the veto

50.1%+ of all MPs voting to override the veto:

A Simple majority with at least 20MPs voting to override the veto


Which one would people prefer?
If they are the choices second one definately.
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So, presuming we keep the veto the options are

2/3 Majority of votes cast in a motion to override the veto

50.1%+ of all MPs voting to override the veto:

A Simple majority with at least 20MPs voting to override the veto


Which one would people prefer?
The first and second one together as a double lock.
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(Original post by Matthew_Lowson)
So, presuming we keep the veto the options are

2/3 Majority of votes cast in a motion to override the veto

50.1%+ of all MPs voting to override the veto:

A Simple majority with at least 20MPs voting to override the veto


Which one would people prefer?
The second one exclusively. It's important that parliamentary sovereignty is maintained.
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The first and second one together as a double lock.
I like this idea.
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So, presuming we keep the veto the options are

2/3 Majority of votes cast in a motion to override the veto

50.1%+ of all MPs voting to override the veto:

A Simple majority with at least 20MPs voting to override the veto


Which one would people prefer?
The second one for certain.
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This is in cessation.
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