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omfg not the definition argument AGAIN.


Definitions are linguistic axioms; by their nature unprovable.
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Because I have a penis
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I would support the feminist movement if it weren't for the negative ideas associated with it. I would say that I support equal rights for men and women.
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I'm against feminism because I don't accept certain false premises which I would have to to be a feminsist. These include:

1. That there is a patriarchy (depends how you define it. The trivial ones are fine, ie more men in power, but these don't support feminist theory).

2. That men and women are exactly the same in terms of behavior, but socialisation makes us act differently

3. That men have it better in society.

4. That men had it better in the past (I'm judging on suffering, not rights)

5. Female problems are more important than male ones.

6. That looking at and portraying sexualised women is "objectification".

and a whole host of other crap that is just ignorant.
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(Original post by limetang)
Which would be a valid point except that it's not that men are in power, it's that those in power are men.
Reverse psychology hahahah
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(Original post by queen-bee)
Reverse psychology hahahah
Are you a feminist?
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Are you a feminist?
Nope,never have been but I'm just pointing out the obvious
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Because its defunct, when pressed it results in being redefined as egalitarianism ( eg: "Feminism is defined as the equal rights of men and women" which BTW, you already have), preferential treatment or misandry, we already have words for that.

Western women are the most privileged group on the planet as they have legal equality AND affirmative action because of the fallacy of equality of opportunity = results and "privilege" myth. It's full blown doublethink.
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(Original post by queen-bee)
Reverse psychology hahahah
Not at all, it's an incredibly important distinction.
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How is craving to have equal pay and less traditional attitudes come at all under wanting to be superior?
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I 100% agree with the overall idea behind feminism 'equality of gender'. However I think the word 'feminism' itself puts people off. The word to me suggests that only women have issues in which they are underprivileged compared to male counterparts, which is not the case at all. While I accept most issues concerning gender equality involve women being the ones who are underprivileged in comparison to male counterparts, it is certainly not the case for all issues therefore I don't think the entire movements name should imply that.

I certainly don't agree with people who say they are going to start some campaign for 'meninism' to make some sort of point. I think to reach a wider group of people such a movement needs a none bias name. If they called themselves humanitarian campaigners who want gender equality (long winded ik but you get the point I'm making hopefully :P) a lot more people would probably support it, male and female. I personally support the idea of equality but I do think the name the 'gender equality' movement operates under alienates a lot of people from actively supporting it, particularly males.
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Some members of the movement have very extreme views that verge on man-hating, and not everyone can sympathize with them. They're also hypocritical in many of their stances, despite claiming to stand for equality. They should take a more balanced, less emotionally-driven approach if they wish to be taken more seriously. The movement itself, on the other hand, had very important achievements historically.
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(Original post by wllx)
How is craving to have equal pay and less traditional attitudes come at all under wanting to be superior?
I could perhaps understand the desire to shed traditional attitudes, but the old 'unequal pay' argument is demonstrably inaccurate. People often neglect to mention this only applies to married women with children (I wonder why?). Unmarried, childless women earn approximately the equivalent median wage as men because they opt to devote more of their time and energy to their careers.
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I'm just curious, after a recent post. Just to clarify: Feminism is defined as the equal rights of men and women. Just wondering, not asking for a debate as such or comments from people who think it is anything other than how it is defined...
Because I don't make such a genetic fallacy. It may be strictly defined as such, but surely by that definition feminism is somewhat superfluous, after all, there are going to be many more movements out there wanting the same objective, and ones that don't have such an implicitly sexist name; then when you consider that these days there is minimal indication that it is a movement for equal rights it really isn't worth bothering with.

We have equal [enough] rights in the West, so western feminism is largely pointless, the standard response to this is "well, this isn't true in other parts of the world!" The thing is, how many of the people who declare this actually work for the betterment of women in other parts of the world? How many of them want to raise women above men in the west, either by trying to give women extra rights, or surpressing the rights of men?

Beyond that you get that they claim to want equal rights for men and women, but asymmetrically support equivalent movements. The prime example is FGM, while it may be more severe than MGM there was still a massive focus on FGM, and not GM as a whole; where you get a "problem" faced by both men and women you will see feminism, for the most part, not fighting against injustice x, but fighting against injustice x vs women.

Then you get that the moderates allow the radicals to become the public face of feminism, which is hardly a good thing, and then the radicals go all hypocritical. See: professor, was it Taylor(?), the Rosetta scientist who was aggressively targeted for the shirt he was wearing on a very very stupid basis, yes, it was a horrible shirt, no, it was not "misogynistic". These exact same people would get in a flap if you made any comment based upon what they were wearing, they took a HUMAN achievement and tried to use it to forward their SEXIST agenda.

(Original post by noramaria)
Feminists are not against men and do not want to be more superior than men, they want to be equal as men and get equal pay and equal as men.
Since this post was right in front of me, I suggest you go and look at the secondary analysis of the gender pay gap, published I believe annually by the Department for Culture Media & Sport. If it is annual this year's should be published in the next few months, otherwise here is last year's. Now, take a look at that and tell me what conclusions you draw from it?
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If we limit ourselves to Western society, the history of that society is a history of men in power. Even though women have more rights today than they once did, the attitude towards women as 'lesser' that is resultant of the history of our society has not been erased. That attitude exhibits itself in the form of less respect and confidence towards women than men. You can even look at TSR for evidence of that attitude: male posters regularly say that they only want to marry virgins, write about how easily they could overpower women physically and how limited women are intellectually, how women are worthless as friends because they have no power, and, quite frankly, the absolute surfeit of threads about feminism (i.e. putting down the very notion of female empowerment) ... If men and women are ever to be truly equal in our society, it's this attitude towards woman as 'less than' men that must be changed.

Obviously that's not to say anything about the state of women's rights outside of the Western world. Women have a **** deal there, that's for sure.
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Because based on personal experience and just general observation, these 'non-extreme' feminists we keep being told about seem to be massively outnumbered by the loonies.

Not to mention the victim mentality which comes with many feminists. I remember that #BanBossy campaign earlier this year, being supported by loads of female celebrities and being pushed as one of the major feminists campaigns of 2014. It's almost laughable, the amount currently going on within the world and yet Western feminists will somehow manage to turn a word such as bossy into some kind of oppression.
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(Original post by Dandaman1)
I could perhaps understand the desire to shed traditional attitudes, but the old 'unequal pay' argument is demonstrably inaccurate. People often neglect to mention this only applies to married women with children (I wonder why?). Unmarried, childless women earn approximately the equivalent median wage as men because they opt to devote more of their time and energy to their careers.
Is correct.
As usual we see no reply to your point.
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I'm not acting like a victim and saying people chase me in the streets or want to stone me (the majority :P), I'm just stating the fact which is that being male = privilege. Be it, in a modern society, slight.

And my previous statement was theoretical. If you're against equality then you're for inequality, so you're OK with some people having it worse for no reason.
(Original post by queen-bee)
Men are already privileged so I see no need for a new movement
These are a great example of why i'm against feminism (one of many many reasons). They perpetuate this mentality that women are victims at the hands of men who have everything oh so hard and men are privileged and have everything oh so great.

Men don't have life any easier than women. In fact, one could reasonably argue that women have it much easier in a number of respects. Being attractive in either gender makes you far more "privileged" than an unattractive person. In fact, an over weight unattractive girl can make a profile on a dating website for example, and will still have her pick of hundreds of men.

I could go on about aspects where women have it easier, but unlike feminists i don't see life as a "who has it worse" competition.

Fact is, life is hard for both men and women who face different problems. We are all highly privileged compared to those in ****hole countries because we live in the 1st world.
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These are a great example of why i'm against feminism (one of many many reasons). They perpetuate this mentality that women are victims at the hands of men who have everything oh so hard and men are privileged and have everything oh so great.

Men don't have life any easier than women. In fact, one could reasonably argue that women have it much easier in a number of respects. Being attractive in either gender makes you far more "privileged" than an unattractive person. In fact, an over weight unattractive girl can make a profile on a dating website for example, and will still have her pick of hundreds of men.

I could go on about aspects where women have it easier, but unlike feminists i don't see life as a "who has it worse" competition.

Fact is, life is hard for both men and women who face different problems. We are all highly privileged compared to those in ****hole countries because we live in the 1st world.

Let me quote myself as Ive already replied to some similar opinions
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Let me quote myself as Ive already replied to some similar opinions
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Well I cant seem to do that on the phone, but read the rest of my posts and you will see.
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