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    (Original post by louieee)
    I never knew who I were in the first place fam
    No one really does, but, we're living in crazy times and I certainly, do not think this is the way we are meant to be.
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    (Original post by BitWindy)
    What is it that we are distancing ourselves from?
    From our human nature.
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    See I told you! Ok, I kind of already knew.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    Also maybe, someone, somewhere wants it this way.
    Someone is not enough. We need a mental change in the whole world. That is to say we have to bring our style of life and our social system into question, all the more the economical one. After that we have to change them, otherwise the human race will die out. But we are in hurry, we have not much time anymore.
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    (Original post by Kallisto)
    Someone is not enough. We need a mental change in the whole world. That is to say we have to bring our style of life and our social system into question, all the more the economical one. After that we have to change them, otherwise the human race will die out. But we are in hurry, we have not much time anymore.
    I totally agree. The change starts with yourself.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    I totally agree. The change starts with yourself.
    And even this one seems to be impossible. Our findings are no secrects for many decades, but we do hardly to correct the direction. We are the three wise monkeys, we don't see, don't hear and don't speak about the robbery of our own. The wise monkeys became insane ones.
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    (Original post by Kallisto)
    And even this one seems to be impossible. Our findings are no secrects for many decades, but we do hardly to correct the direction. We are the three wise monkeys, we don't see, don't hear and don't speak about the robbery of our own. The wise monkeys became insane ones.
    Omg! your right! I didn't even know. I'm watching this video with Graham Hancock and he's basically saying the same thing.
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    I like the topic, NHM713.

    Here's one way I think of things:

    20 years ago the world was younger than it is now.

    The person who is now 50 years old was born in to a younger world.
    The person who is now 30 years old was born in to an older world.

    This doesn't necessarily mean that there is more stuff in the older world (today's world).
    Some buildings may have become demolished. The population rate might have declined. But, in general, in modern times where people don't tend to burn down all the monasteries and the like in one go, there seems to be more stuff created in any year than was destroyed in any year and the population tends to increase.

    Thanks to library archives, bookshops and the internet, we have easy access to many important books.

    Perhaps, in some ways, the internet is a saviour of the pursuit of knowledge for its own good that was threatened by the ruthless capitalist message of Thatcherism (I'm not knocking some of the finer points of Thatcherism though but, since it actually increased unemployment, the welfare state and crime, it was a failure in terms of law and order- the deliberate destruction of the older, more traditional, parts of socialism by the Conservatives was partly a factor).

    If we are any dumber now it's because we only learn what we either think we need (having to pay tuition fees) or what strongly interests us. It's seems there's less time to be romantic about being someone else than who we are.
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    We need to reinforce the Protestant faith and understand the founding of Britain. Most people don't apart from myself and a few thousand other High Tories. As for the economic system the High Tory policy was internal free trade and external protectionism, a nation and imperialistic version of capitalism in which the British people gained more than everybody else. However this was done away with during the recession after the Napoleonic wars and the Classical Liberals took over the Parliament for 60 years until the 1880's when the Progressive Liberal emerged from the Long Recession to dominate British politics and they have done ever since. Apart from short blip under the Labour party after WW2 from 1945-1951 where they implemented Socialism, this was then reigned back when Churchill got back into power, ever since we have had ever increasing economic fascism in Britain moving from Socialism to Liberalism. With the social reform always being to attack the other governmental institutions like the Church of England, House of Commons, Courts, Monarchy to ever increase the power of the government and house of commons.

    The issue at hand is legacy, people don't understand the legacy of the British nation state what it did and why. Instead they look at massive internationalist idea's like Communism, Islam, Liberalism. I much prefer the nation state.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    We don't know who we are, so we make up rules through laws and different religions; can we truly say man is progressing when the truth is, we are moving further and further away from the origins of our existence.

    The further into the future we go, are we simply getting dumber?
    Yes. I think that is almost literally the definition of progress.
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    In terms of the killing of unborn persons and babies, the family, killing of old and disabled people by doctors, protect of property rights and protection of persons, we are regressing.
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    Yes. I think that is almost literally the definition of progress.
    Oh really? Where's progression taking us?
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    (Original post by william walker)
    In terms of the killing of unborn persons and babies, the family, killing of old and disabled people by doctors, protect of property rights and protection of persons, we are regressing.
    Saddly.
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    (Original post by Nogoodsorgods)
    I like the topic, NHM713.

    Here's one way I think of things:

    20 years ago the world was younger than it is now.

    The person who is now 50 years old was born in to a younger world.
    The person who is now 30 years old was born in to an older world.

    This doesn't necessarily mean that there is more stuff in the older world (today's world).
    Some buildings may have become demolished. The population rate might have declined. But, in general, in modern times where people don't tend to burn down all the monasteries and the like in one go, there seems to be more stuff created in any year than was destroyed in any year and the population tends to increase.

    Thanks to library archives, bookshops and the internet, we have easy access to many important books.

    Perhaps, in some ways, the internet is a saviour of the pursuit of knowledge for its own good that was threatened by the ruthless capitalist message of Thatcherism (I'm not knocking some of the finer points of Thatcherism though but, since it actually increased unemployment, the welfare state and crime, it was a failure in terms of law and order- the deliberate destruction of the older, more traditional, parts of socialism by the Conservatives was partly a factor).

    If we are any dumber now it's because we only learn what we either think we need (having to pay tuition fees) or what strongly interests us. It's seems there's less time to be romantic about being someone else than who we are.
    Clearly we need to ask ourselves a question or even a few. Possibly, Why do I think the way I do? Why is the world the way it is?
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    (Original post by william walker)
    We need to reinforce the Protestant faith and understand the founding of Britain. Most people don't apart from myself and a few thousand other High Tories. As for the economic system the High Tory policy was internal free trade and external protectionism, a nation and imperialistic version of capitalism in which the British people gained more than everybody else. However this was done away with during the recession after the Napoleonic wars and the Classical Liberals took over the Parliament for 60 years until the 1880's when the Progressive Liberal emerged from the Long Recession to dominate British politics and they have done ever since. Apart from short blip under the Labour party after WW2 from 1945-1951 where they implemented Socialism, this was then reigned back when Churchill got back into power, ever since we have had ever increasing economic fascism in Britain moving from Socialism to Liberalism. With the social reform always being to attack the other governmental institutions like the Church of England, House of Commons, Courts, Monarchy to ever increase the power of the government and house of commons.

    The issue at hand is legacy, people don't understand the legacy of the British nation state what it did and why. Instead they look at massive internationalist idea's like Communism, Islam, Liberalism. I much prefer the nation state.
    We can clearly see, there's a better way of living...why are we not doing that?

    P.S I learnt from you today, cheers.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    We can clearly see, there's a better way of living...why are we not doing that?

    P.S I learnt from you today, cheers.
    The reason we aren't doing it is TV, drugs and political parties. TV is controlled by the government and political parties have had since the 1960's an open gateway into everyone's home. Mean while the government has refused to enforce its own laws on drug possession leading to more people being feeble minded or deranged. If I could I would remove the government from TV totally and purely used the BBC as a foreign policy tool. TV is the greatest mind changing device in history and along with drugs it allows people to be manipulated in ways they wouldn't otherwise be. This is how the progressive liberal secularists have maintained control for so long.

    Those of us who seek to constrain the Progressive Liberal Secularists have had a hard time and are insulted for our faith and political views. I have been called a racist, closet racist, bigot, vile and disgusting, among other things. I don't yield and instead am actually rather aggressive in debate and many people on here are opposed to me, however most just don't care which is actually the most annoying thing.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    The reason we aren't doing it is TV, drugs and political parties. TV is controlled by the government and political parties have had since the 1960's an open gateway into everyone's home. Mean while the government has refused to enforce its own laws on drug possession leading to more people being feeble minded or deranged. If I could I would remove the government from TV totally and purely used the BBC as a foreign policy tool. TV is the greatest mind changing device in history and along with drugs it allows people to be manipulated in ways they wouldn't otherwise be. This is how the progressive liberal secularists have maintained control for so long.

    Those of us who seek to constrain the Progressive Liberal Secularists have had a hard time and are insulted for our faith and political views. I have been called a racist, closet racist, bigot, vile and disgusting, among other things. I don't yield and instead am actually rather aggressive in debate and many people on here are opposed to me, however most just don't care which is actually the most annoying thing.
    I agree, that the media has a very strong hold on the way we think, but, i don't agree drugs make you "feeble minded or deranged". If anything they could be a way to counter the mind changing effects of the media.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    I agree, that the media has a very strong hold on the way we think, but, i don't agree drugs make you "feeble minded or deranged". If anything they could be a way to counter the mind changing effects of the media.
    Well of course they make people feeble minded they can get "addicted" to drugs and their free will and conscience is removed. I put addicted in quotation marks because I don't believe it is a medical problem, but a problem of will. I am in total agreement with Peter Hitchens on drugs and the terrible problems they cause. Also on the deranged part Derek Bird was a drug user, he murdered 13 people not far from where I live. Of course the media and government doesn't bring this up at all. The French guy who just murdered a Muhammadanist was a drug user, of course the article said drug possession. Many of the American mass shooters, many terrorists and Anders Breivik were drug users. Of course this commonality isn't mentioned, instead everything under the sun but drugs is used as a cause for their violence.

    So I must then ask myself why does the media and government want people to take drugs.
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    (Original post by william walker)
    Well of course they make people feeble minded they can get "addicted" to drugs and their free will and conscience is removed. I put addicted in quotation marks because I don't believe it is a medical problem, but a problem of will. I am in total agreement with Peter Hitchens on drugs and the terrible problems they cause. Also on the deranged part Derek Bird was a drug user, he murdered 13 people not far from where I live. Of course the media and government doesn't bring this up at all. The French guy who just murdered a Muhammadanist was a drug user, of course the article said drug possession. Many of the American mass shooters, many terrorists and Anders Breivik were drug users. Of course this commonality isn't mentioned, instead everything under the sun but drugs is used as a cause for their violence.

    So I must then ask myself why does the media and government want people to take drugs.
    Not all drugs are addictive and they are not inherently bad; it's the psyche of the person using drugs that should be in question, which would require some kind of psychological help.

    I do agree, with the last thing you said, but, I would ask why they allow us to take certain drugs and not others.
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    (Original post by NHM713)
    Not all drugs are addictive and they are not inherently bad; it's the psyche of the person using drugs that should be in question, which would require some kind of psychological help.

    I do agree, with the last thing you said.
    Yes all drugs are addictive because people can say they are addicted so they are. There is no medical test or definition for addiction. Which is why I don't believe it is real, rather a medical creation to increase the manipulation of the government. Something not being inherently bad is meaningless because people can turn it into something bad. Which is why they do when they use the drug.

    My point is that the drug in many cases actually causes the psychological problem. This then enables people to commit these terrible acts of crime.
 
 
 
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