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    They should be allowed to take part in the debates. They have had an MEP in London for many years.

    So should the Monster Raving Loony Party of course.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That shouldn't be the job of a news media to decide. UKIP are also friendly to lots of powerful vested interests. You can easily become cynical as to why they are given so much air time. Which is one of the reasons that helps them grow.

    If UKIP were experiences the same exponential growth Green are experiencing you would be singing a different tune.

    Also you own logic of most voters don't join the party they vote for suggest Green now have more voters. Say 10% of voters join their party. This assumes there is a direct correlation between members and voters so Green have more voters.
    It should be when we have a free press and it is. This is not a state-controlled media where everyone gets equal time. In terms of the broadcasters, everyone but the BBC is a profit-making business. They get to decide on who should go on and who shouldn't. That's pretty much the end of it.

    And so what if they're friendly to a lot of vested interests? It's no different from the Tories having the aristocracy at their back or Labour having the trade unions at theirs. That's just politics. Large political parties don't exist without some sort of vested interest backing them. It's how they have the money to even run their operations.

    No, because fringe parties like the Greens are different to the conventional party like Labour and the Lib Dems. Fringe parties tend to have people who're more committed to the cause, therefore they're more likely to give more than the vote. The Greens and even UKIP are more likely to have a higher proportion of their voters actually joining them. Furthermore, in this case the Greens gained about 2,000 members in a day or two. These people aren't supporters at all. It's a protest movement because they were rejected. These people will disappear as soon as the election ends. Let's not pretend it's anything other than an anti-establishment move.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Green Party now has more members than UKIP.

    http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...ip--eyzQAvJyig

    Predicted they will overtake the lib dems before general election.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9977866.html
    Great news :banana: !!!

    I think any party could overtake the Lib Dems now. They're weak as anything and I will never forgive Nick Clegg for not even attempting to cut tuition fees etc as he promised if he got into power.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Alas not. The Labour Party, has regional offices, but it is a national UK wide party.
    The Scottish Labour Party has a separate Leader, General Secretary, Executive...
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    (Original post by Genocidal)
    The thing with the Greens are they aren't going to really do anything that they haven't done before.
    As opposed to the major parties who always say one thing in their manifesto then do what they hell they like.

    Heaven forbid a party should actually stick to its principles!
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    (Original post by Simes)
    As opposed to the major parties who always say one thing in their manifesto then do what they hell they like.

    Heaven forbid a party should actually stick to its principles!
    I meant in terms of electoral performance.
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    (Original post by Simes)
    The Scottish Labour Party has a separate Leader, General Secretary, Executive...
    Yet it's still a member of the Labour Party
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Yet it's still a member of the Labour Party
    So the Labour Party treats the whole of Scotland as a 'branch', allows it its own leadership, then has it subordinate to the real Labour Party.

    I cannot imagine why the SNP do so well. :rolleyes:
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    The majority Neo Liberals voters just don't understand how the economy works. Those that do often support the policies to keep Corporate Fascists in power.

    Let me explain.

    There is a belief in Neo Liberalism that if a item is traded and sold money will appear out of no where inside the economy to cover the profit of such a transaction.

    Lets say our whole national economy is worth 20p and we buy an Apple with 10p. We sell that Apple for 20p inside our economy.

    The Neo Liberal voter will tell you that our economy is now worth 30p. 10p of the profit from the transaction plus the original networth of the economy 20p. They believe that by trading extra money is printed. This is because they are ignorant and have no idea how the economy works.

    ......................

    This is how the economy works. There is a finite amount of money inside the economy. In our example it will be 20p.

    If that following transaction regarding the apple ever occurred there would be a depression. Why? Because there would be no liquidity in the economy.

    Money is circulated. It is the lubrication that an economy needs. It is the life blood of a nation. It is the water that has been with everyone and never sleeps.

    ......................

    Now this is where the Neo Liberals fail. They say that we are living beyond our means and creating to much debt.

    The trouble with this statement is that is that it is made to manipulate the masses into thinking the national economy is like the money management of a household. The fact is it is not.

    In a household you have expenses and income. In a national economy you have individuals and a sufficient level of liquidity. Think of the national economy like a car engine. There are multiple parts all turning around and they need oil lubrication to smoothly turn otherwise the engine ceases up and breaks.

    The Neo Liberals very economical plan will end up causing a global depression. How? The Neo Liberals use austerity, privatization and high costs to bring about there ideal economy. The problem is that low liquidity and high costs do not mix. It pushes the majority of people into poverty and siphons the majority of wealth to the richest classes. And when there becomes little money available to trade goods and services businesses start dropping like flies.

    What about all this new employment? 80% of it is in the city of London but we'll come to that later. It has something to do with private banks printing money.

    The main reason is due to Corporate Socialism which can be called Corporate Fascism or Crony Capitalism. It involves Corporate influencing Government to choose which Corporations do well in the economy. This is done though policy change but most importantly the licence and ability to PRINT MONEY and loan it out to the chosen beneficiary.

    You see we don't have a state bank or central bank that prints money in our economy. High street banks do it. Barclays, HSBC, Loylds etc.

    In our case; the City of London financial sector. What is happening is the our national currency has been siphoned into the banks to fund the habits of big bank trading speculation. When profits are made they are privatized but when losses are made they are written off as financial debt which the state is liable for. Essentially it is privatize the profits and socialize the losses.

    This has been going on since the 1970s and it is the main reason why the gap between rich and poor has been climbing in our country.

    What essentially will happen under Neo Liberalism is that rich beneficiaries will take their profits from speculation and put them in off shore banks. This decreases the money supply or liquidity in the UK. Majority of these profits come from loan money but a good proportion also comes from the national economy. So what effectively happens is there becomes less and less money available across the United Kingdom and Bankers increase the price of property by speculating on it.

    Oh and Bankers prefer mortgage investments more than loaning money to small business. With mortgages they get a deposit. Well they use too. Now they get 20% of their deposit though the Help to Buy scheme where the Tory Government use Tax Payers money to fund the Banks risk for speculation. The Banks got bailed out but they decided they needed more so of course the Neo Liberal Red Tories and Blue Tories where so understanding and gave the peoples money freely.

    .....................

    I can see why the Greens are getting more votes than UKIP. They are sick to death of the Neo Liberal enslavement ring.

    We need to take the ability to print money away from the Banks. They should not be allowed gamble with our lives.

    There should be loans made to productive small businesses rather than making loans to the big financial firms like Goldman Sachs.





    The ability to print our nations money should lay with the people and not the private banks!
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    The majority Neo Liberals voters just don't understand how the economy works. Those that do often support the policies to keep Corporate Fascists in power.

    Let me explain.

    There is a belief in Neo Liberalism that if a item is traded and sold money will appear out of no where inside the economy to cover the profit of such a transaction.

    Lets say our whole national economy is worth 20p and we buy an Apple with 10p. We sell that Apple for 20p inside our economy.

    The Neo Liberal voter will tell you that our economy is now worth 30p. 10p of the profit from the transaction plus the original networth of the economy 20p. They believe that by trading extra money is printed. This is because they are ignorant and have no idea how the economy works.

    ......................

    This is how the economy works. There is a finite amount of money inside the economy. In our example it will be 20p.

    If that following transaction regarding the apple ever occurred there would be a depression. Why? Because there would be no liquidity in the economy.

    Money is circulated. It is the lubrication that an economy needs. It is the life blood of a nation. It is the water that has been with everyone and never sleeps.

    ......................

    Now this is where the Neo Liberals fail. They say that we are living beyond our means and creating to much debt.

    The trouble with this statement is that is that it is made to manipulate the masses into thinking the national economy is like the money management of a household. The fact is it is not.

    In a household you have expenses and income. In a national economy you have individuals and a sufficient level of liquidity. Think of the national economy like a car engine. There are multiple parts all turning around and they need oil lubrication to smoothly turn otherwise the engine ceases up and breaks.

    The Neo Liberals very economical plan will end up causing a global depression. How? The Neo Liberals use austerity, privatization and high costs to bring about there ideal economy. The problem is that low liquidity and high costs do not mix. It pushes the majority of people into poverty and siphons the majority of wealth to the richest classes. And when there becomes little money available to trade goods and services businesses start dropping like flies.

    What about all this new employment? 80% of it is in the city of London but we'll come to that later. It has something to do with private banks printing money.

    The main reason is due to Corporate Socialism which can be called Corporate Fascism or Crony Capitalism. It involves Corporate influencing Government to choose which Corporations do well in the economy. This is done though policy change but most importantly the licence and ability to PRINT MONEY and loan it out to the chosen beneficiary.

    You see we don't have a state bank or central bank that prints money in our economy. High street banks do it. Barclays, HSBC, Loylds etc.

    In our case; the City of London financial sector. What is happening is the our national currency has been siphoned into the banks to fund the habits of big bank trading speculation. When profits are made they are privatized but when losses are made they are written off as financial debt which the state is liable for. Essentially it is privatize the profits and socialize the losses.

    This has been going on since the 1970s and it is the main reason why the gap between rich and poor has been climbing in our country.

    What essentially will happen under Neo Liberalism is that rich beneficiaries will take their profits from speculation and put them in off shore banks. This decreases the money supply or liquidity in the UK. Majority of these profits come from loan money but a good proportion also comes from the national economy. So what effectively happens is there becomes less and less money available across the United Kingdom and Bankers increase the price of property by speculating on it.

    Oh and Bankers prefer mortgage investments more than loaning money to small business. With mortgages they get a deposit. Well they use too. Now they get 20% of their deposit though the Help to Buy scheme where the Tory Government use Tax Payers money to fund the Banks risk for speculation. The Banks got bailed out but they decided they needed more so of course the Neo Liberal Red Tories and Blue Tories where so understanding and gave the peoples money freely.

    .....................

    I can see why the Greens are getting more votes than UKIP. They are sick to death of the Neo Liberal enslavement ring.

    We need to take the ability to print money away from the Banks. They should not be allowed gamble with our lives.

    There should be loans made to productive small businesses rather than making loans to the big financial firms like Goldman Sachs.





    The ability to print our nations money should lay with the people and not the private banks!
    Are you on new meds?
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    (Original post by Simes)
    So the Labour Party treats the whole of Scotland as a 'branch', allows it its own leadership, then has it subordinate to the real Labour Party.

    I cannot imagine why the SNP do so well. :rolleyes:
    The SNP keep Making promises they can't keep.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    So many points
    Wow! Everything ever written about economics is WRONG!

    Seriously, you've done well raising some of those points but it's TL;DR for the audience at this time of night and not in the right thread to get them the attention they need.

    May I suggest you raise those as a few separate threads, one covering each aspect? Some of them - like the last line - are really quite exciting discussion topics that warrant their own exploration.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    The SNP Politicians keep Making promises they can't never intended to keep.
    ftfy
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Are you on new meds?
    No not really. You trying to say I've been on drugs binge again? Cheeky bugger
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    (Original post by Simes)
    ftfy
    I'll give you that one.

    But the snp were promising rather hefty bribes to vote for them.
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    I do think its pretty interesting that the third to sixth parties now have over 200,000 members combined.

    Though its also a damming condemnation of the main two parties that neither of them breach that number, having previously had millions of members. Indeed that splintered opposition should also represent a great pool of voters to target.

    The Greens are just one part of a larger story. Politics has splintered.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I do think its pretty interesting that the third to sixth parties now have over 200,000 members combined.

    Though its also a damming condemnation of the main two parties that neither of them breach that number, having previously had millions of members. Indeed that splintered opposition should also represent a great pool of voters to target.

    The Greens are just one part of a larger story. Politics has splintered.
    Are more concerned that people still pay to join a political party. Where's the flexibility?
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Are more concerned that people still pay to join a political party. Where's the flexibility?
    Well, parties still need footsoilders and some people do ally with one party. I myself was a card carrying Tory until last year when they went a bit nutty over immigration and the EU (considered leaving for the Libs).
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    (Original post by Simes)
    Wow! Everything ever written about economics is WRONG!

    Seriously, you've done well raising some of those points but it's TL;DR for the audience at this time of night and not in the right thread to get them the attention they need.

    May I suggest you raise those as a few separate threads, one covering each aspect? Some of them - like the last line - are really quite exciting discussion topics that warrant their own exploration.
    How can I put this. The super rich are basically buying up property up & down the UK. Most of it has been swallowed up in England. The majority of this property has been council housing & council office blocks. It has been sold since councils have been under funded.

    But that isn't all the want. If you think they just want your home you are mistaken. They want your wages, your pension, your social security, your NHS and in some cases your life.

    The United Kingdom is being transformed into a bank for the super rich. And the inhabitants must either serve the super rich in a low wage economy or we become surplus to requirements and must face liquidation. The exact method of disposal is a gradual exile of people to much poorer areas until even the North East becomes inflated by speculative investment.

    The real question is how the super rich defend themselves and I think private military is going to be a decisive factor.

    In the next 5-10 years I am moving to the Scottish Highlands or Norwegian Fjords. Doing as my Lord Jesus Christ instructed me to do so. There is going to be a lot of trouble in the coming years.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Lol why on earth would you want to vote for something that actually works when there are plenty of other more exciting parties out there that are guaranteed to screw you over?
    Your choice is Old Etonian Cameron or champagne socialist Miliband, possibly in cahoots with fox hunting Farage. For what it's worth I think the Lib Dems have been excessively slammed over one aspect of their time in coalition when in actuality they have helped to dilute the full wrath of the Tories.


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