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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    If this is backed up by stats then fair enough.
    So I could campaign for a white Britain, and in you’re opinion this would not be racist?


    The old 'Its just my opinion' argument doesn't work in the case of defamation. This is not an internal thought, this is something you posted on a public forum.
    Read the title of this thread. OP asked for an opinion, I gave it, I still stand by it. An opinion is all you can give in this circumstance, the question posed was not “What is 2+2?”


    I've not lost no argument. You defamed a politician based on nothing more than your interpretation of what xenophobia actually is. Deluded. Again, nothing you've presented actually PROVES him to be xenophobic.

    The 'I believe' fallacy argument you're trying to put forward holds no credence whatsoever.
    By definition the only response that can be given to this question is an opinion. It’s based on interpretation of what someone says. So there is no “I believe” fallacy, just you getting yourself awfully confused.
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    Diane Abbott is a racist. So I guess that means all of Labour is racist.
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    (Original post by The Gray Fox)
    Diane Abbott is a racist. So I guess that means all of Labour is racist.
    Labour doesn't campaign on the premise that immigrants are the cause of all evils.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    So I could campaign for a white Britain, and in you’re opinion this would not be racist?
    If you had a scientific and logical reason for doing so, no. Racism would be doing it purely because of their skin colour with no other reason used as justification. If


    Read the title of this thread. OP asked for an opinion, I gave it, I still stand by it. An opinion is all you can give in this circumstance, the question posed was not “What is 2+2?”
    I asked you the question in regard to Farage, not the OP. Get it straight.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Labour doesn't campaign on the premise that immigrants are the cause of all evils.
    No, they just hate on white people instead and advocate minority supremacy.






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    (Original post by 10001)
    I think UKIP is unfairly criticised of being racist when the party itself actually is not. Just because they address the sensitive topic of immigration, other parties jump on their backs to detract people from voting for UKIP. I think many people support UKIP's policies, however are scared to do so for fear of being branded a racist. It is fine to vote for UKIP; just because you have right-wing ideologies doesn't make you a racist.


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    An interesting read for you.

    Most ukip supporters see themselves left wing of the conservatives. I.e in the same area as labour.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9923416.html
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    We need immigration to stop population decline. The birth rate is far too low at the present time for a stop to immigration to make any economic sense at all.
    I don't see it like that, I think the population is far too high and is the reason why there is so much unemployment. More people will only mean more competition for jobs. Also we got all these foreigners taking our jobs and its not fair. A lot of these foreigners cant even speak English and are uneducated, a burden on the country itself. It just annoys me how some complain that there is not enough people speaking their ethnic languages, this is the UK for peace sake!! More immigration means an increase of ethnic minorities abusing benefits which is damaging our economy. Also more extremists and criminals on the streets. Logically the less people the better for all of us.
    I don't see how an economy can forever support and increasing population.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    If you had a scientific and logical reason for doing so, no. Racism would be doing it purely because of their skin colour with no other reason used as justification. If
    Regardless, the vast majority of the population would find that to be incredibly racist.

    I asked you the question in regard to Farage, not the OP. Get it straight.
    Whatever, it makes no difference whatsoever.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Regardless, the vast majority of the population would find that to be incredibly racist.
    The vast majority of the UK have no clue what the term racism actually means and are sensitive souls that cry when you tell them they're bad at something. Thats why we now have an inclusive policy on almost everything and we have to tell everyone they can be whatever they want. Its the cotton wool and outrage mentality that has shook this nation. Other nations actually cringe in embarrassment at it. Political correctness has gone mad and you and others that promote these parties help it manifest even though its nothing more than a way for politicians to divide and conquer the public to turn them against one another rather than having everyone at their throats. Only now people are waking up to it.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    The vast majority of the UK have no clue what the term racism actually means and are sensitive souls that cry when you tell them they're bad at something. Thats why we now have an inclusive policy on almost everything and we have to tell everyone they can be whatever they want. Its the cotton wool and outrage mentality that has shook this nation. Other nations actually cringe in embarrassment at it. Political correctness has gone mad and you and others that promote these parties help it manifest even though its nothing more than a way for politicians to divide and conquer the public to turn them against one another rather than having everyone at their throats. Only now people are waking up to it.
    You still don't actually have any idea which party I'm a member of so your melodramatic accusations are completely baseless. Do you not think this anti-immigrant rhetoric from Farage and UKIP and increasinly from the other parties as well now is also being used to divide people? And to an immeasurably higher degree (not that 'political correctness' is being used to divide us, that point is beyond ludicrous).
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    An interesting read for you.

    Most ukip supporters see themselves left wing of the conservatives. I.e in the same area as labour.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9923416.html
    Im an ardent Eurosceptic left winger but would vote UKIP in a heart beat over the other parties primarily because they do not fear rocking the boat. The mundane, 'lets not rock the boat' politically correct nature of this country, with an overzealous emphasis on health and safety and wrapping everything in cotton wool, whilst removing individual responsibility from peoples actions, politics needs to stop.

    And when I say left wing, I mean left wing, not like champagne socialist Labour voters who are either (a) uneducated and still think they're voting for a working class promoting party (b) bitter to the level they're only voting Labour to stop the Conservatives getting into power or (c) actually evil and corrupt enough to vote for a party that turned a blind eye to pedophilia.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    No, they just hate on white people instead and advocate minority supremacy.

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    Abott is somewhat of a loose cannon.

    Chukka - hard to comment when there is no context. He is a massive supporter of social mobility which is a great thing.

    The John Mann one - can you tell me where he actually said that? Joshua Bonehill is not a reliable source and I am aware John Mann started legal proceedings and explained that the comments posted were libellous.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    You still don't actually have any idea which party I'm a member of so your melodramatic accusations are completely baseless. Do you not think this anti-immigrant rhetoric from Farage and UKIP and increasinly from the other parties as well now is also being used to divide people?
    Regardless, anyone supporting the establishment is just as bad whether they're greens, labour, lib, cons or whatever. And yes, Farage's rhetoric is to divide the people as well, there is no doubt about it. The mistake you made was thinking im a Kipper because I defended Farage on the stupid claims you made earlier on. No, I'm a Eurosceptic democratic-socialist and Einstein and Orwell were correct. I think I'll listen to a genius and a person renown for his literary work far afield as opposed to the ramblings of yourself.

    What party you're a member of is irrelevant really as I'm opposed to the entire, undemocratic system. Moving on, the fact that you are a MEMBER of a party shows that (a) you're deluded enough to actually pledge allegiance to a party thinking it its going to represent your views and (b) that you support the system for supporting a party within it. Thats all I need to know.

    I have made it well clear on here I am in full support of a revolution.

    And to an immeasurably higher degree (not that 'political correctness' is being used to divide us, that point is beyond ludicrous).
    Its only ludicrous because you disagree with it. George Orwell was correct when he said language is what future governments will use to control the people. It is happening and has been happening for years. Why answer a question when you can deflect it or avoid it? Thats a politician for you. They love it, they play the game, the game they created.

    The only delusional one is yourself that actually believes in the system.
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    Anybody fancy a cheap laugh at the expense of UKIP's bigoted members and supporters?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-25793358

    http://www.cityam.com/206040/ukip-20...-controversies

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...r-nigel-farage

    They are all so very good at making a fool out of themselves
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    (Original post by 10001)
    I think UKIP is unfairly criticised of being racist when the party itself actually is not. Just because they address the sensitive topic of immigration, other parties jump on their backs to detract people from voting for UKIP. I think many people support UKIP's policies, however are scared to do so for fear of being branded a racist. It is fine to vote for UKIP; just because you have right-wing ideologies doesn't make you a racist.


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    Of course its not racist!

    They are saying that it is because of immigrants that the M4 is congested. Never heard of a scapegoat either.

    This is a party that thinks it is perfectly fine to say use the word "chinky" to describe a Chinese person. If they agree with this then they probably agree with the use of "ni*ger" and "p*ki" as well then.

    Then there was that instance where Nigel Farage referred to the "rivers of blood speech" and defended the lady that refused to rent rooms to certain people because they were West Indian! He even said that this was not racial discrimination.

    And then there is also the Party itself, which is full of far-right Neo-Nazis, racists and ex-National Front and BNP members.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Abott is somewhat of a loose cannon.

    Chukka - hard to comment when there is no context. He is a massive supporter of social mobility which is a great thing.

    The John Mann one - can you tell me where he actually said that? Joshua Bonehill is not a reliable source and I am aware John Mann started legal proceedings and explained that the comments posted were libellous.
    Deflection tactics all the way. You are no better than the Kippers really. Political members and supporters are no better than little bitter football fans that have a hissy fit when their teams lose. The only difference is, the decisions of politicians, who all argue in Parliament like a bunch of children may I add, is that their decisions INFLUENCE policy and have a serious effect on the lives of us all, to great shame. You are all deluded beyond belief if you think any of the parties has your viewpoint at heart and they don't. They're only interested in serving themselves.

    Ignoring the Mann comment then, as I'll take your word on that, I still find it unbelievable how you can dismiss the comments of Abbot and Chukka when they're both discriminative in the highest form. Positive discrimination is still discrimination no matter how you try to dress it up. You supporters of the parties are all the same yet you routinely go at one another. A dime a dozen. You supporters may as well do what all your supreme leaders do, go play pool or bowls together and drink and have a laugh about it because at the end of the day, you're all supporting a broke system and you're being immensely hypocritical at the same time.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    Deflection tactics all the way. You are no better than the Kippers really. Political members and supporters are no better than little bitter football fans that have a hissy fit when their teams lose. The only difference is, the decisions of politicians, who all argue in Parliament like a bunch of children may I add, is that their decisions INFLUENCE policy and have a serious effect on the lives of us all, to great shame. You are all deluded beyond belief if you think any of the parties has your viewpoint at heart and they don't. They're only interested in serving themselves.

    Ignoring the Mann comment then, as I'll take your word on that, I still find it unbelievable how you can dismiss the comments of Abbot and Chukka when they're both discriminative in the highest form. Positive discrimination is still discrimination no matter how you try to dress it up. You supporters of the parties are all the same yet you routinely go at one another. A dime a dozen. You supporters may as well do what all your supreme leaders do, go play pool or bowls together and drink and have a laugh about it because at the end of the day, you're all supporting a broke system and you're being immensely hypocritical at the same time.
    It's a classic case of one rule for UKIP another for Labour.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    Regardless, anyone supporting the establishment is just as bad whether they're greens, labour, lib, cons or whatever. And yes, Farage's rhetoric is to divide the people as well, there is no doubt about it. The mistake you made was thinking im a Kipper because I defended Farage on the stupid claims you made earlier on. No, I'm a Eurosceptic democratic-socialist and Einstein and Orwell were correct. I think I'll listen to a genius and a person renown for his literary work far afield as opposed to the ramblings of yourself.

    What party you're a member of is irrelevant really as I'm opposed to the entire, undemocratic system. Moving on, the fact that you are a MEMBER of a party shows that (a) you're deluded enough to actually pledge allegiance to a party thinking it its going to represent your views and (b) that you support the system for supporting a party within it. Thats all I need to know.

    I have made it well clear on here I am in full support of a revolution.
    So are UKIP apart of this establishment as well then? If the Greens are then UKIP have to be as well, and I’m sure I saw you just say you’d vote UKIP in a heartbeat on the other thread.

    The party I’m a member of is also none of those mentioned, and Orwell would be horrified at the thought of ever considering voting for UKIP. I also think you’re mistaken if you think either Einstein or Orwell held Eurosceptic views.


    Its only ludicrous because you disagree with it. George Orwell was correct when he said language is what future governments will use to control the people. It is happening and has been happening for years. Why answer a question when you can deflect it or avoid it? Thats a politician for you. They love it, they play the game, the game they created.

    The only delusional one is yourself that actually believes in the system.
    The move of politics towards deflection, rhetoric and soundbites has little to do ‘political correctness’.
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    (Original post by Messiah Complex)
    Ignoring the Mann comment then, as I'll take your word on that, I still find it unbelievable how you can dismiss the comments of Abbot and Chukka when they're both discriminative in the highest form..
    I didn't.

    Of Abbot, I said that she was a loose cannon. She says silly things - I am not keen on her.

    Of Chukka, I said it was hard to comment without some context. I'd like to see more black people in senior positions. It is how you make it happen which is contentious.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    So are UKIP apart of this establishment as well then? If the Greens are then UKIP have to be as well, and I’m sure I saw you just say you’d vote UKIP in a heartbeat on the other thread.
    I said it in this thread that I would vote UKIP over the others if I voted at all, which I don't because the system is flawed and a disgrace, just purely on the basis of the fact that they're willing to rock the boat and not squirm when it comes to sensitive issues. The thing is, I won't vote for anyone. I have made this point abundantly clear for long enough.

    The party I’m a member of is also none of those mentioned, and Orwell would be horrified at the thought of ever considering voting for UKIP. I also think you’re mistaken if you think either Einstein or Orwell held Eurosceptic views.
    No, they were both democratic-socialists. I did not once state they were Eurosceptics. Keep up. Also, it must be noted that at the time these were alive, the UK was a sovereign nation anyway before the inception of the EU on a political level. Regardless, I believe they were right on social-democracy.

    As I said, it doesn't matter what party you're a member of. The fact is, you are a member. You bought into the deluded belief that a party within this system gives a damn about what you want. Any party that gets anywhere near power, as Russell Brand pointed out for all his quirky faults, has to toe the party line of appeasing the economic core that actually keeps this country alive.

    You clearly have never ever run a business of any kind if you do not know how this works.

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