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    (Original post by samba)
    They aren't all so deterministic on a research level, but people like the one quoted above probably think microeconomics deals in straight lines for example (they learn one consumer/small supplier doesn't affect the supply/demand curve so graph it as a straight line.). And then the left equate these idiots with capitalism and blame that. Keynes was a glorious man though.

    He probably thinks moderate unemployment is bad, and costs the economy, and that cutting the deficit is important.
    I'm still learning. I don't understand the technical details of a lot of economics. A lot of it is so boring! I just know they are heterodox economists out there how predicted the 2008 crash. These guys should be listened to if you ask me. I personally think the likes of Cameron and Osborne just latch on to any economic thinking that confirms there own rolling back the state, cut taxes for the rich and deregulate finance. Kind of like how the extreme left of old would adopt stuff like strict Marxism since it predicted a transition to socialism since they wanted it to be true. Which is shame, I hear there are aspects of Marx's work that are still relevant and of use. Politics tends to get in the way of rational reasoning and policy making based on empirical evidence :/

    But I do know stuff about physics and I don't understand why the advances in non-linear physics isn't used to try and predict stuff.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    I'm still learning. I don't understand the technical details of a lot of economics. A lot of it is so boring! I just know they are heterodox economists out there how predicted the 2008 crash. These guys should be listened to if you ask me. I personally think the likes of Cameron and Osborne just latch on to any economic thinking that confirms there own rolling back the state, cut taxes for the rich and deregulate finance. Kind of like how the extreme left of old would adopt stuff like strict Marxism since it predicted a transition to socialism since they wanted it to be true. Which is shame, I hear there are aspects of Marx's work that are still relevant and of use. Politics tends to get in the way of rational reasoning and policy making based on empirical evidence :/

    But I do know stuff about physics and I don't understand why the advances in non-linear physics isn't used to try and predict stuff.
    The long term economic plan is working ............ NOT FOR YOU SILLY! ............... For the Rich! And the Super Rich.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    With regards to the unemployed disabled they should keep getting motability.

    With regards to the employed disabled, they can pay for it themselves.

    With regards to the unemployed, they should be provided with a travel pass and be banned from car driving until they have a job. The state should not have to listen to them say they can't afford food when they are blowing money on fuel.
    Then you will have to abolish the current requirement that job-seekers attend any interview within 90 miles of their location.

    I guess to reach that interview they'll have to spend the entirety of the previous day on trains and sleep at a bus stop.

    Of course, that regulation is already pernicious: what unemployed person can afford a car?

    Still, another opportunity to sanction them, I guess.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Tough- why should I work to pay for them to have a car?
    Because the governance of the country is not all about you.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    How is me working and them not working equal?
    If it's so great not working, why don't you give up your job? Well?
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    Seems a bit stupid of a rule to put in place, very little money would be saved whilst a tonne of money would be spent implementing it. Idiotic idea at best.
    The Tories have spared no expense over this parliament. How many billions have been wasted on persecuting the unemployed and disabled.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    That is exactly what I am on about! The models they use do not allow a recession to occur. We have been living in a ****ing recession! It's all around us! If it were a social science some serious scrutiny would now be occurring. When your models fail to predict a recession to the point where then bank of England chief guy says no one saw it coming (people did see it coming, they just got ignored) there is a problem with your theory. A primary school child could figure it out. But nope, just carry on as usual, they are just a bunch of quacks and mainstream economics can in no way be termed a science by any stretch of the imagination. Alchemy is probably a better description.

    To have these guys adviding policy is just nuts and I don't know why people accept it.
    I agree. Looking into the structure, culture, shady research institutes and patronage networks which operate in academic economics, it is literally no different to a medieval priesthood. Appropriately so given that economics is the religion of secular states. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say so.

    The Austrian School has never gone in for empirical evidence I'm afraid. They just do what makes the rich richer because the rich fund them, and they fund the astroturfing needed to make it happen.
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    Most people who have tab cars are scroungers.
    My other half sold one to a tabber who had managed to blag her way onto higher rate because she had a speech impediment.
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    (Original post by JC.)
    Most people who have tab cars are scroungers.
    My other half sold one to a tabber who had managed to blag her way onto higher rate because she had a speech impediment.
    I don't for a second believe that is the norm and is likely just an isolated case, especially if you are talking about her getting a higher rate of disability benefit which is ridiculously difficult to get now, many many truly disabled people have had it cut. I should know my mum had hers cut despite the fact I have to bathe and dress her,....but of course she is fit for work.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    The Tories have spared no expense over this parliament. How many billions have been wasted on persecuting the unemployed and disabled.
    Ugh that pissed me off the most of all the **** they've done.
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    (Original post by SophieSmall)
    I don't for a second believe that is the norm and is likely just an isolated case, especially if you are talking about her getting a higher rate of disability benefit which is ridiculously difficult to get now, many many truly disabled people have had it cut. I should know my mum had hers cut despite the fact I have to bathe and dress her,....but of course she is fit for work.
    Seriously, she was really judged fit for work?

    It's just ****ing foul.

    I hear the UN are investigating us, do you know if there's been any progress?
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Seriously, she was really judged fit for work?

    Yep, even through 2 appeals. Someone here tried to argue with me once that she was given a fair case and obviously she could work if she was found fit to work through a tribunal. Absolute bull**** they wouldn't even listen to her doctor.

    Edit for your edit: I have no idea about any of that.
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    Sounds fair enough to me. If you don't work then you don't need a car to get to work.
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    (Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
    Sounds fair enough to me. If you don't work then you don't need a car to get to work.
    Nope, just to interviews, to the hospital, to pick up a new oven, Christ forbid, even to do something fun once in a while...

    Why this obsession with policing every little thing benefit claimants spend their money on? Very authoritarian, isn't it? Not to mention expensive, and inefficient, and a drag on the economy.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Nope, just to interviews, to the hospital, to pick up a new oven, Christ forbid, even to do something fun once in a while...

    Why this obsession with policing every little thing benefit claimants spend their money on? Very authoritarian, isn't it? Not to mention expensive, and inefficient, and a drag on the economy.
    If you live in or near a city you can get public transport, if not then exceptions could be made. If you need hospital, taxi, or if really necessary ambulance. If you want to have fun... get a job. Welfare spending is too big a slice of this pie, especially with our creaking NHS.

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    (Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
    If you live in or near a city you can get public transport, if not then exceptions could be made. If you need hospital, taxi, or if really necessary ambulance. If you want to have fun... get a job. Welfare spending is too big a slice of this pie, especially with our creaking NHS.

    What's the remainer? Champaign for politicians? Billions of pounds on pointless high speed railways?

    No, just you focus on those pesky disabled people
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    (Original post by Zander01)
    What's the remainer? Champaign for politicians? Billions of pounds on pointless high speed railways?

    No, just you focus on those pesky disabled people
    Boo ****ing hoo, tell it to the taxpayer.
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    (Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
    Boo ****ing hoo, tell it to the taxpayer.
    Hahaha stupid hypocrite
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    (Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
    If you live in or near a city you can get public transport, if not then exceptions could be made. If you need hospital, taxi, or if really necessary ambulance. If you want to have fun... get a job. Welfare spending is too big a slice of this pie, especially with our creaking NHS.

    Where do people get this idea from that most places have got decent public transport?

    There are plenty of places in the country where public transport is just not reliable enough. And budget cuts haven't helped that at all. These places are not a small minority, it is a problem far more widespread than certain people on this thread realise. It may be fine if you live in the middle of a city, but in a rural area a lot of public transport is poor.

    A car is not a luxury, and enforcing a car ban for unemployed people would be far more expensive than simply continuing to let them drive cars. Banning it would save absolutely nothing.
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    (Original post by RFowler)
    It may be fine if you live in the middle of a city
    You'd be surprised; me I can around a lot quicker by push bike than I could by bus.
 
 
 
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