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    (Original post by BitWindy)
    By this do you mean governmental moves to deter people from smoking?

    I don't see much wrong with that. I suppose there is the complication of the NHS, in that people such as yourself can argue that if they're going to use the NHS they ought to be told how to lead their lives, but I'm not going to get into an argument about the NHS here.
    I don't really care where the message comes from.

    I think that any efforts to try and reduce the numbers of smokers and deter non-smokers from becoming smokers is a good thing. Whether that is the government, the NHS, individual doctors, charities etc.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    You are basically a fascist.
    Deep :beard:
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I don't really care where the message comes from.

    I think that any efforts to try and reduce the numbers of smokers and deter non-smokers from becoming smokers is a good thing. Whether that is the government, the NHS, individual doctors, charities etc.
    There's a difference between a "message" and governmental intervention. To impose plain packaging, artificial price increases or bans upon products is the use of force to suppress liberty. Yes, cigarette companies are run by people too, and most smokers are adults who can think for themselves.

    Maybe it comes down to a conflict of values, but I would place the maintenance of freedom over the growth of the nanny state.
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    The state should get out of trying to change people behaviors.
    They should not actively encourage people to stop smoking.
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    It's quite simple really. The more faggy parents there are, the more disabled and semi retarded children are born. Making the population as a whole thicker and more controllable.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I don't really care where the message comes from.

    I think that any efforts to try and reduce the numbers of smokers and deter non-smokers from becoming smokers is a good thing. Whether that is the government, the NHS, individual doctors, charities etc.
    They'll be using exactly the same justifications to "progressively" abolish alcohol next, which I expect you'll support. These control freak socialists will NEVER be content if the citizenship still exercises one modicum of free will.
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    I'm rather sick of all the draconian anti-smoking measures myself. Grown-ups can, if they have the appropriate information (which we have made abundant), decide for themselves whether they want to smoke. The main parties should either have the guts to ban it, or allow it to be traded freely as the legitimate product they continue to allow it to be.

    I approved of Clegg's opposition to the car smoking ban, and I approve of Farage's opposition to this.
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    (Original post by thesabbath)
    They'll be using exactly the same justifications to "progressively" abolish alcohol next, which I expect you'll support. These control freak socialists will NEVER be content if the citizenship still exercises one modicum of free will.
    No one is talking about abolition here.

    But I would be in favour of people being made more aware of the risks of alcohol. In some ways, it is a bigger problem than smoking.
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    How is this about personal liberty? Anyone over 18 will still be able to legally buy cigarettes.

    The point of the plain packaging law isn't necessarily to make current smokers stop smoking (who, as some have pointed out, don't care about the packaging - they're addicted and just want their nicotine hit).

    One of the main points is to prevent children, teens, and other non-smokers from ever taking up smoking. With plain packaging, a lot of the "coolness" is taken away. Eg.: read this thread: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1450090
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    The thing is, plain packaging is a stupid idea to begin with.
    It doesn't stop smoking. It makes illegal sale of cigarettes and smuggling easier. Which in turn reduces the tax take. Then you've got to debate whether we actually want people to stop, and that depends entirely on your personal morals.
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    (Original post by naughts)
    How is this about personal liberty?
    It may come as a surprise to you to find out that cigarette companies are run by people too.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I think that any efforts to try and reduce the numbers of smokers and deter non-smokers from becoming smokers is a good thing.
    So you'd support the stabbing of smokers?
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    Smoking needs to stop. It's disgusting and gives you cancer.
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    Smoking needs to stop. It's disgusting and gives you cancer.
    And helps pay for you to be able to use the NHS. If people want to abuse their bodies then so be it, I'm not complaining at their poor life decisions leading to less tax for me.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    So you'd support the stabbing of smokers?
    Not all of them. Yet.

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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    I don't really care where the message comes from.

    I think that any efforts to try and reduce the numbers of smokers and deter non-smokers from becoming smokers is a good thing. Whether that is the government, the NHS, individual doctors, charities etc.
    I think we should stop trying to coerce people away from lifestyle choices that we disapprove of, and let them entirely alone to lead their own lives.
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    (Original post by Birkenhead)
    I think we should stop trying to coerce people away from lifestyle choices that we disapprove of, and let them entirely alone to lead their own lives.
    It's become a joke in all honesty. Fat, sugar, ****, alcohol, recreational drugs, gambling, etc. The list goes on and on of the things they want to discourage us from doing. It's frankly embarrassing that people who like to call themselves liberals are keen on this.

    No one has any appreciation for the proper role of government anymore.
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    As much i have sympathy with libertarian thought, it's abundantly clear that the human race is not rational enough to do what is best for them when it comes to their own body. With this in mind, the decision of who to side with in the matter of Farage vs Coalition is a simple one. I will back the government who are rightfully attempting to reduce the number of smokers.

    If only they'd take more stringent measures to tackle obesity. It's somewhat unfortunate that blatant social engineering is out fashion.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    It's become a joke in all honesty. Fat, sugar, ****, alcohol, recreational drugs, gambling, etc. The list goes on and on of the things they want to discourage us from doing. It's frankly embarrassing that people who like to call themselves liberals are keen on this.

    No one has any appreciation for the proper role of government anymore.
    The proper role of government is surely subjective? I do agree with you regarding gambling though, we should drop the tax and licensing requirements and be encouraging them to come here (plenty of oligarchs in London) and generate jobs.
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    I don't see the problem. Plain packaging isn't going to get people off cigarettes. People don't smoke because of brand name, they smoke due to the addiction to nicotine in the cigarettes.
 
 
 
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