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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Foreign aid, pensioners welfare, eventual debt interest. Plus we can slow the rise of NHS budget too by restricting the number of services.

    The state right now is too fat, lets put it on the diet it needs.
    Personally on income TAX I would put a flat rate of 50% on all earning above £20k.
    and the NHS is seriously underfunded so cutting it's money isn't a solution.

    also the state needs to grow right now not shrink.
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    Personally on income TAX I would put a flat rate of 50% on all earning above £20k.
    and the NHS is seriously underfunded so cutting it's money isn't a solution.

    also the state needs to grow right now not shrink.
    For the love of God, please experience the real world ASAP.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    For the love of God, please experience the real world ASAP.
    Who determines what is real and what isn't?
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    Who determines what is real and what isn't?
    When one says "experience the real world", it means get a job, experience the government for what it is, experience the bureaucracy, experience the red tape and dealing with people that are doing the same job as a thousand others!

    Seriously, experience the real world and don't become a philosopher, it doesn't suit you as you come across as clueless enough already.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    When one says "experience the real world", it means get a job, experience the government for what it is, experience the bureaucracy, experience the red tape and dealing with people that are doing the same job as a thousand others!

    Seriously, experience the real world and don't become a philosopher, it doesn't suit you as you come across as clueless enough already.
    I would argue that I have experienced the real world, and I don't like it. So I am resolute to changing it.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I would argue that I have experienced the real world, and I don't like it. So I am resolute to changing it.
    In what way have you experienced the real world?
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    In what way have you experienced the real world?
    Erm... I've had to deal with loads of awful people. Gone though hardship. I fill out government forms on what seems like a monthly basis.
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    Erm... I've had to deal with loads of awful people. Gone though hardship. I fill out government forms on what seems like a monthly basis.
    Awful people? Fill out multiple forms? And yet you want a larger public sector, you strike me as someone that doesn't actually want change but rather the status quo of Labour mass spending, larger public sector etc etc.

    Get some ambition and be the change you want to see. Successful people with drive and ambition change the world not those that want a larger public sector, more taxes and excessive spending.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Awful people? Fill out multiple forms? And yet you want a larger public sector, you strike me as someone that doesn't actually want change but rather the status quo of Labour mass spending, larger public sector etc etc.

    Get some ambition and be the change you want to see. Successful people with drive and ambition change the world not those that want a larger public sector, more taxes and excessive spending.
    Doesn't want change:lol:

    in your opinion. I reacently learned I'm probably an anacho-communist. So I hate centralised power in the few and I want the public sector to provide almost everything.
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    Doesn't want change:lol:

    in your opinion. I reacently learned I'm probably an anacho-communist. So I hate centralised power in the few and I want the public sector to provide almost everything.
    You hate centralised power in the few yet want big government? Makes sense :rolleyes:

    Might I suggest you move to China
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    You hate centralised power in the few yet want big government? Makes sense :rolleyes:

    Might I suggest you move to China
    Big public sector =/= big government.

    i belive in rule by the many and common consensus so china isn't for me thanks but hey you love money and small public sectors and no EU court of human rights so maybe China is for you.
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