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(Original post by DaniilKaya)
Because history is a dangerous tool that can manipulate western mind. There is no evidence at all, that Stalin personally gave orders for the genocide.

Russia was fighting 80% of Nazis, and at the end, US joined the war and finally finished off the Nazis with a little D-Day landing. While Russia was already nearly Berlin. This fact would gave Russia an immortal reputation around the world as a Hero nation. However for the West it was not the image they want to see in Russia right? So they twist the history, faking it. I recently bought a history book published by an English historian in 1965 and it only talks about the western allies, but there is no word about the biggest conributor - Russia (80%)

SO why Russia is the most hated country for liberal gayropeans?
Of course he was a dictator! Ever heard of the Great Purge?
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(Original post by Moosferatu)
Joe Stalin killed twenty million of his own people, his gulags were hellholes. This mad man, this wicked criminal. Supported by Foot, Benn, Milliband Senior, Straw, Blunkett, Clarke, Reid, and Galloway: just a few of the many Communist anti-English racists. Blunt and his gang were just the tip of the iceberg.
The 20 million figure sounds exaggerated.

However, as I mentioned earlier - just how many people have Capitalist govt's killed over time - at least as many if not more.

What lets them off the hook?:rolleyes:
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Stalin did a lot for the womyn's movement for that I thank him
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Stalin did a lot for the womyn's movement for that I thank him
Would of thought you'd be worried about the mass rapes committed by the red army.


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Would of thought you'd be worried about the mass rapes committed by the red army.


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It was for the greater good, the nazis were fascist and the end goal was communist utopia
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(Original post by sacca)
It was for the greater good, the nazis were fascist and the end goal was communist utopia

Ah, rape was for the greater good. Best quote I've ever heard on this forum.


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(Original post by DaniilKaya)
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Yes, Stalin was a dictator. Under his leadership, he has the whole east of Europe enslaved to extend the Soviet ideology(key word sovietization). The soviet union has used military violence and killed people who were against this extent. These are evidences of a dictator. By the way the current Russia is not the same as the soviet union in the past.
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Stalin made a temporary 'non-agression pact' with Hitler in order to BUY TIME.

He needed time to build up the Red Army against the inevitable attack - which clearly was imminent, especially when you consider Hitler's vehement hatred of communism.

IOW: Stalin was playing Hitler.

can't you see that?
Anyway, regardless of this small issue of an alliance vs. a non-aggression pact, can we return to the original point I raised?
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Businesses have many laws in their favour, (ie: laws which 'protect the business').

Try it - see what happens.
People try it all the time on a massive scale. Ever heard of charities?
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So by your logic, Hitler was NOT a dictator as he was in fact, freely and fairly elected.
When was the fuhrer planning on holding his next election?
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(Original post by ModYom)
What country has ever murdered 60 million? Seems like you are now just making things up - first point was about the Holmodor - estimates range from 2-7 million dead there.

so, what are you talking about now?
China and Russia, under commie leadership, murdered similar numbers. Maybe 30 million. Who cares. Can you answer the question please?
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(Original post by ModYom)
If you cannot tell the difference between 'alliance' and 'non-aggression pact' then you have no place in this debate.

A non aggression pact between families is an expression of alliance in the very best sense of the word. They agree not to fight each other . is this not allying even if it sounds different in empty diplomatic speak ? In the Russo/Germano context however, this tacit acceptance of events in the form the non aggression treaty was an alliance by default and tinged with fear. It effectively meant that the Western alliance would have had to exclude Russia from the defense equation.

In any case, Stalin was a classical evil human who went beyond mere tyranny. I should imagine he was, like many psycopaths, set from the start to crush all dissent for fear of losing his unmanageable power. Lenin knew that and had it not been, it would appear, for Stalin having removed the document he wrote up to discourage people from allowing him to succeed, he would have never got there. It was a sad day for humanity when he mounted that rostrum and addressed that awesome nation for the first time. Why or why is it always a handful of psychotics who manipulate the destinies of the rest ? Not enabling them to consolidate seems the best approach to this macabre game that has given Europe, not to mention the rest of the world, those three or four who scoured the ground with the souls of all those millions of terrifed and innocent people. Something does not quite add up.
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Of course he was a dictator! Ever heard of the Great Purge?
Awesome source! that should every single one convince that Stalin was on the same level as Hitler. The difference: He won, Hitler lost.
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(Original post by ModYom)
The 20 million figure sounds exaggerated.

However, as I mentioned earlier - just how many people have Capitalist govt's killed over time - at least as many if not more.

What lets them off the hook?:rolleyes:
Their support from criminals such as the top bankers and Murdoch-affiliated propagandists that warps the minds of the masses.

Ignorance is strength.
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(Original post by ModYom)
So how about all the other countries in the World at that time, you know, the ones that also vowed not to hit Germany - were they at war with the UK as well?:rolleyes:


and you do realise, that in the current period, the UK has vowed not to hit Russia - does that mean we are at war with the Ukraine?

seriously, you need to brush up on your ideas a little........
I seriously think that these shortcuts to reason do not more than demonstrate prejudice rather than illustrate it.

This is alleycat talk. Nothing is as simple as that. Alliances can even be created by tacit approval and it does not mean that the attitude means a declaration of further steps. It would mean that all diplomatic deflation implied future action. Nonsense. Trying to ease a situation and prevent loss of life can lead to granting points to either side - none of it implies support for one or the other.
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Would of thought you'd be worried about the mass rapes committed by the red army.


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They only raped Nazi women after entering Berlin, hardly that big a crime.
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It was for the greater good, the nazis were fascist and the end goal was communist utopia
Halleluja! we agree on something at last.

Let's face it - the Nazi men would have been shot, but the women were spared their lives.
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Anyway, regardless of this small issue of an alliance vs. a non-aggression pact, can we return to the original point I raised?
It is not a small issue.

All the same, what was your original point again?
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People try it all the time on a massive scale. Ever heard of charities?
Charities are not the same - they are licensed and often work in league with big business by disposing of their waste/spare products.

However, try OPPOSING a well established business by handing out free goods, then you'll see the weight of the law coming down on you.
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(Original post by felamaslen)
China and Russia, under commie leadership, murdered similar numbers. Maybe 30 million. Who cares. Can you answer the question please?
So which is it - 30 million or 60 million?

And we were talking about Russia, so why add in numbers from another country.

Seems like you are just twisting the numbers around to try and make a point (an erroneous one at that)
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