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    (Original post by ngb9320)
    Then am sorry to say but you stupid.
    we're all entitled to our own views on it. :yy:
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    (Original post by felamaslen)
    You can do better than that, come on.
    Your ignorant mate.
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    (Original post by keileymclachlan)
    we're all entitled to our own views on it. :yy:
    Yes though it would be better if you views were right.
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    (Original post by ngb9320)
    Your ignorant mate.
    Good effort, can try harder. Perhaps highlighting one of my statements that you disagree with would be a good start.
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    The Conservatives' record on civil liberties is better than Labour's. Theresa May is doing her best to redress that balance.

    That said, there really is an incredible level of laziness when lefties talk about this. You all know full well they intend to replace it with an updated Bill of Rights. You all know that we will remain signatories to the ECHR, and the new Bill of Rights will conform to this. If you claim the Tories are trying to get rid of human rights you are peddling outrageous falsehoods.

    This is all about Europe, and the idea that we should not be outsourcing justice to an unaccountable foreign body, which is continuously expanding its remit, and many of whose judgements have been questionable and political.

    Parliament, answerable to the electorate, is the ultimate guarantor of our liberty and has been since the signing of the Magna Carta. This is the nation of Habeas Corpus and the Bill of Rights 1689. I would much rather trust in the British legal system, and that isn't just jingoism. Common law has provided a far better framework for liberty here over the centuries than any country in Europe. Yes, even the fluffy Scandinavian ones.

    It's worth repeating that this will actually put us on a similar constitutional footing to such maverick nations as Germany. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    And replacing it with a new act.

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    I don't trust these ******s to write me a bull of rights. The right to make a profit, that's the only right they want to defend.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    The Conservatives' record on civil liberties is better than Labour's. Theresa May is doing her best to redress that balance.

    That said, there really is an incredible level of laziness when lefties talk about this. You all know full well they intend to replace it with an updated Bill of Rights. You all know that we will remain signatories to the ECHR, and the new Bill of Rights will conform to this. If you claim the Tories are trying to get rid of human rights you are peddling outrageous falsehoods.

    This is all about Europe, and the idea that we should not be outsourcing justice to an unaccountable foreign body, which is continuously expanding its remit, and many of whose judgements have been questionable and political.

    Parliament, answerable to the electorate, is the ultimate guarantor of our liberty and has been since the signing of the Magna Carta. This is the nation of Habeas Corpus and the Bill of Rights 1689. I would much rather trust in the British legal system, and that isn't just jingoism. Common law has provided a far better framework for liberty here over the centuries than any country in Europe. Yes, even the fluffy Scandinavian ones.

    It's worth repeating that this will actually put us on a similar constitutional footing to such maverick nations as Germany. :rolleyes:
    So it is better that people appeal to Strasbourg for their rights to be upheld under the ECHR than for them to appeal to the Supreme Court under the HRA?

    Gotta love that sovereignty.

    It's all posturing so Juncker gets spooked and hands him a decent settlement to placate the backbenchers with.

    Cameron is ****ting himself over this whole EU thing
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    ngb9320, you can barely spell very simple words yet you're saying Conservative voters are morons?! The whole whinging Labour movement since the election is really quite pathetic. If Labour had won the election then I would've been disappointed but not so outraged that I waste weekdays protesting (therefore not earning money, yet complaining about benefit cuts which haven't happened system-wide anyway) and defacing war memorials.

    There was an article in the Telegraph over the last day or so. It was written by a loyal Labour voter who is now ashamed to be a Labour voter because of the behaviour and comments coming from other Labour voters, the protesting and the vandalism.

    In short, it would appear that the immature Labour voters whinging about the legitimate course of democracy are the morons, not those who voted intelligently (not out of hatred towards a party or a single man) and then resumed with their normal lives.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I don't trust these ******s to write me a bull of rights. The right to make a profit, that's the only right they want to defend.
    That is unfortunate for you.
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    (Original post by scbond)
    ngb9320, you can barely spell very simple words yet you're saying Conservative voters are morons?! The whole whinging Labour movement since the election is really quite pathetic. If Labour had won the election then I would've been disappointed but not so outraged that I waste weekdays protesting (therefore not earning money, yet complaining about benefit cuts which haven't happened system-wide anyway) and defacing war memorials.

    There was an article in the Telegraph over the last day or so. It was written by a loyal Labour voter who is now ashamed to be a Labour voter because of the behaviour and comments coming from other Labour voters, the protesting and the vandalism.

    In short, it would appear that the immature Labour voters whinging about the legitimate course of democracy are the morons, not those who voted intelligently (not out of hatred towards a party or a single man) and then resumed with their normal lives.
    These are not Labour voters, they are standard anarchist/anti-politics people. If they voted it was probably for the Socialist Workers Party or similar or at the very most Green.

    Right-wingers and the right-wing media seem to think anyone to the left of about Michael Gove is a frothing communist. It's so childish.
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    Implying that Britons didn't have rights before the human rights act.

    The main thing that worries me is that this is the same government that proposed the snoopers charter.
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    For crying out loud the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU. It is under the remit of the Council of Europe. It isn't going to scare the EU, or be used as some bargaining chip. It is just going to make us look like maniacs seeing as even Russia is committed to continued membership.

    I'm not against setting up a new British Bill of Rights directly under British sovereignty, but it mustn't supersede the European Convention on Human Rights. Maybe it can clarify things better, and let more cases be dealt with by our judiciary before it has to go to the ECHR, but that is it.

    I'll give the Tories the benefit of the doubt and see where they go with it before I take I decide to take a stronger stance. Don't have much hope with Gove and May on the case, but lets see.
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    (Original post by keileymclachlan)
    Theyre simply replacing it for if the UK leave the EU in 2017. The media have just simply twist it to seem as if theyre scrapping it altogether and not replacing it.
    No they're not, they said they're scrapping the HRA within 100 days of becoming government. That's sometime in the next 3 months.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    So it is better that people appeal to Strasbourg for their rights to be upheld under the ECHR than for them to appeal to the Supreme Court under the HRA?

    Gotta love that sovereignty.

    It's all posturing so Juncker gets spooked and hands him a decent settlement to placate the backbenchers with.

    Cameron is ****ting himself over this whole EU thing
    It's mainly about hierarchy. The difference will be that the the UK Supreme Court will be superior to the European Court, whereas Labour instructed the UK courts to follow their judgements. The convention does not require that, it merely requires we include the principles of the ECHR in our own legislation, which the Bill of Rights will do.

    In fact, it's entirely possible the new Bill of Rights will go further on protecting some liberties.
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    No lets remove the National Minimum Wage. Oh and lets reintroduce workhouses.
 
 
 
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