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    (Original post by CAElite)
    So... like all the bad things about the USA coupled with UK taxes and laws? Great.
    What are all the "bad things" about the USA?

    I propose basically Denmark-like reforms, not USA-style. The US has a federal minimum wage, Denmark doesn't, Denmark has really flexible labour markets, the US doesn't, Denmark has a very high consumption tax, the US doesn't. Denmark has low corporate taxation (23%? -- the UK has even lower tbh), the US has among the highest (if not the highest) in the developed world (40%!). Etc

    Although I'd like to see Texas-style housing markets in the UK (minimal regulation, letting the market provide the ludicrously high demand for housing)
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    Make me ruler. I'd have all Marxists and Neo-Nazis imprisoned and shot, increase the size of the military budget, send troops back into Iraq to smash ISIS, occupy the country and give its people a semblance of civilisation, lower the tax rate to 5%, abolish the minimum wage, stop funding charities and state schools, have Andjem Choudary arrested, imprisoned and executed after months of horrendous torture, overthrow the monarchy and declare a Cromwellian Republic with myself as Lord Protector for Life, make Rakas Chancellor of the Exchequer, have mass graves dug for political opponents, reduce immigration to tens of thousands, ban Muslim immigration, change the National Anthem, create a new constitution for Britain, proclaim Cromwellianism the new official ideology...
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    (Original post by DarkIceCream)
    What are all the "bad things" about the USA?

    I propose basically Denmark-like reforms, not USA-style. The US has a federal minimum wage, Denmark doesn't, Denmark has really flexible labour markets, the US doesn't, Denmark has a very high consumption tax, the US doesn't. Denmark has low corporate taxation (23%? -- the UK has even lower tbh), the US has among the highest (if not the highest) in the developed world (40%!). Etc

    Although I'd like to see Texas-style housing markets in the UK (minimal regulation, letting the market provide the ludicrously high demand for housing)
    My only 1st hand experiences are from Texas where I have stayed for the best part of a year, the US differs a lot from state to state.

    1. EVERYTHING is privatised, this is probably the worse thing about the states, private road with passing lane that you need to pay to enter, semi-private police and fire services which do everything in there power to milk the state on callouts, private medical; is terrible on so many levels but Id rather not beat that dead horse, The actual private police (common in expensive areas); otherwise known as rent-a-cops in the US actually have legal jurisdiction to detain other citizens and issue fines, these are usually untrained state police rejects. Everything is private and everything is designed to extract maximum profit from the consumer regardless of the expense to society or the enviroment.

    2. Deregulation, same as number 1. Everything is designed so any company with enough cash to hire some fancy lawyers can get away with literal murder. Housing companies given free reign to screw there consumers with contractual obligations in order to extract the most profit, Internet/phone/TV is TERRIBLE because of deregulation as companies are alowed to create huge monopolies on areas where the consumer has no alternative, public services (water/electrical) are actually regulated somewhat the same as the UK but are somehow far more expensive and far less reliable although unlike the UK the consumer has no come back to use service quality to get out of contractual obligations, deregulation of US banks is what has trashed the western capitalism numerous times. Anywho I could go on, regulation is the majority of Europe is designed to protect the consumer, the US doesnt have this and this is why I disagree with deregulation

    3. I dunno how the US works in this reguard, all I know is that getting my greencard was a collosal pain in the ass yet in the area I was staying EVERYONE was from south America or Carribean islands lol. However immigration really is a non-issue in the UK regardless of how much the right moans and complains. Its only becoming an issue because the vast majority of immigrants are moving to the same place (London).

    4/5. I agree with these but funding them would be a pain in the ****, especially with lower income taxes

    6. Errrummmyeahaweebit. The way the US does minimum wage is REALLY wierd, its state by state but they have essentially no minimum wage ($2.30 an hour in Texas) for entry level service staff which is what the majority of the labour market is for young folk over there. To be honest I missread this point the 1st time as "remove the minimum wage" but upon re-reading it I actually agree with a guarenteed universal income. However the UK already somewhat has this, It is for the most part being done away with by the last couple of tory governments but the US has had something called working tax credits for decades. Essentially workers (mostly those on minimum wage) would be given money from the state to prop up there income, especially if they have dependants.

    7. Hm. Sounds good but doesnt work in practice. VAT is the lengthyest bit so ill talk about it last, Higher property tax is something im a proponant of but unless it is greatly increased or also made to encompass other high liquidity capital (Liquid savings, blue chip stocks, circulating investments etc etc). Lower corporate tax, makes sense but would work better on a regional basis to incentivize buisnesses to move about in the UK rather than the majority of them being trapped in a bubble of the SE of England (This is why Scotland wants control over corp tax so that we can make Glasgow a competative buisness hub like the Irish have done in Dublin). Lower income tax though... Income tax is the vast majority of our state income, income tax is what the Danish use to fund most of there state services. I believe it is Denmark (I may be mistaking it with Sweden/Norway) which has there highest income bracket set at 80%,Double the UKs 40% (although we used to have far higher and it worked extremely well for us too). VAT. Now Denmark and other Scandanavian countries have extremely high VAT and this works for them, HOWEVER in other European examples VAT increases have been proven to reduce public spending, especially in times of recession, this stifles economic growth and is all in all bad for the country. In a country like the UK where living costs are also fairly high in comparison to average income it would also put the working and middle classes at a large disadvantage.
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    (Original post by The Dictator)
    Make me ruler. I'd have all Marxists and Neo-Nazis imprisoned and shot, increase the size of the military budget, send troops back into Iraq to smash ISIS, occupy the country and give its people a semblance of civilisation, lower the tax rate to 5%, abolish the minimum wage, stop funding charities and state schools, have Andjem Choudary arrested, imprisoned and executed after months of horrendous torture, overthrow the monarchy and declare a Cromwellian Republic with myself as Lord Protector for Life, make Rakas Chancellor of the Exchequer, have mass graves dug for political opponents, reduce immigration to tens of thousands, ban Muslim immigration, change the National Anthem, create a new constitution for Britain, proclaim Cromwellianism the new official ideology...
    On behalf of all Scots I would like to personally thank your leadership for securing our independence as a sovereign state! xD.
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    (Original post by CAElite)
    On behalf of all Scots I would like to personally thank your leadership for securing our independence as a sovereign state! xD.
    In which case all Scots would be deported unless they registered for English citizenship, and if Scotland ever thought about aligning itself with our enemies they'd be invaded and Edinburgh would be burnt to the ground.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Open the border with North America, Australasia and developed Asia. Close the border to most non-EU immigrants outside the places mentioned.

    Make the British Isles whole again (unify with Ireland) and allow our overseas territories to join the UK proper.

    Increase the size of the military such that we can beat Russia alone in the sea and air. Defend the Middle East and Eastern Europe from tyranny.
    That'll never ****ing happen unless they bring back National Service. Even then I don't even think it would be possible. The military budget would be massive.
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    (Original post by The Dictator)
    In which case all Scots would be deported unless they registered for English citizenship, and if Scotland ever thought about aligning itself with our enemies they'd be invaded and Edinburgh would be burnt to the ground.
    **** not again. FRANCE HALP!
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    (Original post by CAElite)
    **** not again. FRANCE HALP!
    France would be nuked if it dared come to your aid.
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    The House of Lords would be turned into a "Council of Elders" which will elect the Lord Protector, and only those with a certain amount of property could vote.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    That'll never ****ing happen unless they bring back National Service. Even then I don't even think it would be possible. The military budget would be massive.
    I'd increase by around £20bn personally but that would still be less than 4% GDP.

    Off the top of my head that would be spent on something like another 7 type 45 destroyers, a third aircraft carrier, 3 helicopter carriers, around 150 F-35's so that each aircraft carrier has a full complement of 72. The Helicopters and drones. Finally another 300 strikecraft and supporting aircraft.

    In terms of the army i acknowledge we can't match ground forces but realistically we'd never take action alone anyway (France and Poland are somewhat trustworthy in Europe on military matters, the US when it wishes).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'd increase by around £20bn personally but that would still be less than 4% GDP.

    Off the top of my head that would be spent on something like another 7 type 45 destroyers, a third aircraft carrier, 3 helicopter carriers, around 150 F-35's so that each aircraft carrier has a full complement of 72. The Helicopters and drones. Finally another 300 strikecraft and supporting aircraft.

    In terms of the army i acknowledge we can't match ground forces but realistically we'd never take action alone anyway (France and Poland are somewhat trustworthy in Europe on military matters, the US when it wishes).
    Even then, I really don't think you understand the sheer size and strength of the Russian army. Granted, they have never been great with supplying their soldiers. They just throw lots of money and arms at their armed forces and their armed forces have a history of mistreating it one way or another. However, because of the sheer size of their military, it still acts as a massive wrecking ball wherever it goes.
    I don't see where this is coming from anyway. The Cold War is over, and we are no closer to coming to blows with Russia than we were twenty-five years ago. Russia isn't really the main focus, although it does serve as somewhat of an example when discussing military power. .
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    (Original post by Mister Morality)
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    Alternatively:
    1. Remove morality from government: give the church legitimate power over marriage, divorce, abortion and welfare charity.
    2. Abolish the legitimacy of Post-Normal Science, thus ending Climate Science and its activism and alarmism. Stop funding false economies.
    3. Recognise that kinship is important for social capital to develop in society: ban any further immigration whilst the extent of the problem can be assessed. Develop a repatriation programme for non-European immigrants. Unionise the British Isles, as Rakas21 says.

    Also, stop fighting wars for foreign countries. Instead focus defence on our own borders.
    How are you gonna close the borders? Are you leaving the EU then?
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Even then, I really don't think you understand the sheer size and strength of the Russian army. Granted, they have never been great with supplying their soldiers. They just throw lots of money and arms at their armed forces and their armed forces have a history of mistreating it one way or another. However, because of the sheer size of their military, it still acts as a massive wrecking ball wherever it goes.
    I don't see where this is coming from anyway. The Cold War is over, and we are no closer to coming to blows with Russia than we were twenty-five years ago. Russia isn't really the main focus, although it does serve as somewhat of an example when discussing military power. .
    Your point is not without merit however last year we saw Russia take the Crimea and no nation (despite the UK signing an agreement with Ukraine in 94) did a damn thing about it. Today, we know that Russia is supplying rebels for territorial gain.. and nobody does a damn thing about bar give the Ukranian army a few weapons. Over the last year, 90% of air strikes on ISIS have been done by the USA and they are no closer to defeat and nobody is willing to do what it takes. With a proper armed forces we could put a roadblock in front of them and put our military where their mouth is when they to destabalise the Baltics ect..

    As strangely socialist as it sounds from me, i believe that the UK and other rich nations have a moral duty to both the world and their own self interest in a world where leaving other nations to it is idiotic. I don't want to see the Russian flag in Kiev or them nibbling bits of Latvia, i want they and ISIS to listen to the UK when it says that if they don't remove their forces in 48 hours, we'll remove them by force.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    As strangely socialist as it sounds from me, i believe that the UK and other rich nations have a moral duty to both the world and their own self interest in a world where leaving other nations to it is idiotic..
    The only moral duty we have imo is to our own self-interest.
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    (Original post by The Dictator)
    The only moral duty we have imo is to our own self-interest.
    That should always be the primary motivation but does not preclude a secondary motivation.

    I do deem those who share our values to be 'one of us' for example.
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    (Original post by Slender-Man)
    Let us
    1] Abolish the National Minimum Wage, as this shall allow employers to hire more on benefits.

    2] Limit unemployment benefits up to one year, unless you have held a job then it shall be limited to half of your length of employment.

    3] Closing our borders and change our immigration policies to those of Australia.
    agreed but with a less racial attitude than Australia.

    Also ban Islam (which is a religion not a race)


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    (Original post by JPO92)
    How are you gonna close the borders? Are you leaving the EU then?
    That's an inevitability at this point...
 
 
 
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