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    (Original post by VergeofInsanity)
    Take say Poland for example and the argument from them for their entry into England is 'for a better life'. We are told they make a 'net contribution'.

    So my question is if that is the case with immigrants who are seeking a better life then why are these countries (Poland) etc not importing 400,000 people (net) from say Ethiopia YEAR on YEAR? Or never mind Ethiopia .. how about a poorer and more local country like Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Moldova etc. I mean they are likely to make a positive net contribution also because they will work like dirt to make a living so why do we not see a country like Poland, a country who features in the world's top 25 for GDP, importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants year on year? I'm not talking about small levels of immigrations but taking all the people from the local european countries I mentioned or even Africans?

    What are these countries (Poland) etc doing for others using their argument? That argument being that they go to somewhere for a better life etc etc.

    Because at the end of the day the life of a Moldovan will be better for him in Poland than it is in Moldova.
    poland wouldn't want 100,000s of poor immigrants because it would change their country irrevocably. We take 300k net/year because its good for business and our govt doesn't care about the effect of large scale immigration
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    (Original post by mark36)
    The irony is strong with this one. Replace "Polish people" with "black people/Asian people/any other racial group" and you'd get about a million posts stating why this statement is so wrong. Like in ANY population there are racists, and there are good people. Why would you generalise an entire nationality? As a person of Polish origin with friends of many different nationalities that I go out with on a regular basis and NEVER seen them as inferior/different to me, I find this statement extremely insulting. Or is it okay to insinuate things about the Poles just because they're white...? Unless you've travelled around every nation in the world or find some actual statistics to back this up, this is just a load of bull.

    UK colonised lots of countries. The country itself was built on immigration. You have a burden of history, just like Germany will forever have burden of the Nazis and Adolf Hitler, or Russia with Stalin. Every country has a dark past, even Poland. It's perfectly rational for England to want to control immigration. However, have you heard of Poland colonising Somalia?



    Care to explain what you mean by "fake bias"? I may be slightly biased as I'm Polish, but I only speak from experience and from truth. I provided a statistic to prove my point, where is yours? I can't say whether your opinions are correct or not because they're your opinions. But you clearly haven't been to Poland or else you wouldn't be writing these posts, full of ignorance.

    And you "can't be bothered" to reply? I wonder why?

    Migrant watch is just the first site that came up in my anonymous search engine (not google) to avoid bias. Don't like MIgrant watch? Fine: http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...sible-minority.

    DailyMail isn't necessarily dodgy. I just said I don't rely on it as a news source and seek out to educate myself without biases clouding my judgement.

    My thoughts on the street protests in Poland about anti-islam? Jan Sobieski didn't fight the Ottoman Empire for Poland to become a Muslim country. http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/E...ennaSiege.html At the Battle of Vienna he stopped the entire EUROPE from becoming Islamic. This includes the UK. Before you ask whether being anti-Islam is racist... It's a RELIGION, not a RACE. Just as people can dislike Christianity people can dislike Islam as a concept. That does not mean it's okay to hate on the believers or the people. Respect towards others is a priority, no matter their gender, religion, sexuality or status.

    In fact there is an ethnic Muslim minority in Poland descended from ancestors of the Tatars. They're treated with as much respect as ethnic Catholic Poles.

    Have you even read my other post? The country is 95% CATHOLIC. As I said before minorities of different religions are expected to integrate. English people expect others to integrate as well which is fair enough. Most people (rightly so) believe that Muslims would just clash too much with Catholics. Just because they crossed the Mediterranean does not mean they deserve some sort of love or applause.

    This is not a topic about refugee crisis so I'm not going to dwell too much on it, but I repeat - Poland has been invaded many times by Muslims. Most people just don't want our ancestors to turn in their graves.

    History/cultural differences aside people aren't necessarily angry at the Muslims themselves - if Poland was rich like America or England, people definitely wouldn't mind. People are angry because the government is helping people that aren't even related to our country (some of them from Al-Quaeda and ISIS) and get free food, accommodation etc. all of a sudden just because they heard Europe is rich and Angela Merkel told them to accept refugees or else. Meanwhile, thousands of Polish families struggle to SURVIVE. (Not even a joke or an exaggeration.)

    Also, Poland is welcoming towards refugees as a general rule with its reception of 50 000 refugess from Chechen, , Vietnam community from East Germany etc.

    It has also helped 250 000 Ukrainians. So don't you dare call Poland "unwelcoming". For a monocultural society these are HUGE numbers.

    Many Muslim doctors or people of other useful jobs married to Polish wo/men are very accepted in the society. IT'S not a case of "they're Muslims so we hate them!" but hatred of EU policies shoved down Polish throats, much like in the UK. The immigration policy is based on people being able to integrate into society EASILY. For average white, Catholic Poles to accept Black, Ethiopian Muslims would require a very large, external force and a huge amount of social engineering. The foreigners know this and this is why they settle in UK, Germany and Sweden etc. it's just easier.

    Do you have a particular hatred of Polish people? It's funny you make fun of Poland not being particularly "welcoming" where most of Europe at the minute shares the same sentiment. Trust me when I say that foreigners in Poland can really feel more at home than in the UK.

    Most refugees have no right to asylum anyway. I believe that most of them are semi-rich men (you have to pay for transport to Europe, you know?) who are just looking for an easy life in Europe. Not all, but many of them are. It is fair of Polish people to not automatically accept them with open arms just as it is fair of the French, English, Swedish, German etc. to do the same.

    Thank you for taking your time to reply to my post and read this one.

    Cheers
    You're just a typical whinging Pole, you don't want foreigners moving into your country but you want to take advantage of the free movement into the UK and Germany.

    Also its funny you mentioned Germany having a burden because of Hitler, because your country helped the Nazis round up the Polish Jews, and you're still the most anti-Jew nation in Europe
    http://forward.com/news/world/191155...itism-amid-je/

    Nobody takes you seriously, you're a nation full of racist hypocrites.
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    Something like 60% of Moldovans do not live in Moldova. They've all already left lol
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    (Original post by VergeofInsanity)
    So by that logic ... everybody is right to criticise immigrants and Polish immigrants?
    Idk how u got that from what I said
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    (Original post by Normies Out)
    You're just a typical whinging Pole, you don't want foreigners moving into your country but you want to take advantage of the free movement into the UK and Germany.

    Also its funny you mentioned Germany having a burden because of Hitler, because your country helped the Nazis round up the Polish Jews, and you're still the most anti-Jew nation in Europe
    http://forward.com/news/world/191155...itism-amid-je/

    Nobody takes you seriously, you're a nation full of racist hypocrites.
    What a troll haha. I don't even know why I'm going to respond. FYI I'm not even Polish. I am of Polish origin. I was born and raised in England. My Polish great-grandparents served in the war, fighting for which country? BRITAIN.

    Please find the nearest tree, bash your head against it and shout: "YOU STUPID TREE! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?" You would probably look more intelligent than you are now.

    Polish people helped the most Jews during the war. They risked their lives and those of their families to help strangers. Even nowadays, their deaths, alongside Polish casualties, are mourned.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_894110.html

    What do Polish people get now? Nothing but hate, even from Jews themselves. Do not be surprised at the anti-Jew sentiment, although inexcusable, is not surprising. Have you heard of a Jew rescuing a Pole? Although Polish Jews shared the same country, what did they do to help? As Norman Davies notes "to ask why the Poles did little to help the Jews is rather like asking why the Jews did nothing to assist the Poles."
    Source: http://library.flawlesslogic.com/poles.htm

    Did you know Poland was the only country in the war who did not collaborate with the Nazis on any level? Just shows you're ignorant, I suppose

    " Despite all the historical conflictsbetween Poles and Jews, some Poles did rescue Jews during the German occupation.In fact, more than 2,500 Christian Poles were executed for aiding Jews,and over 2,000 Polish Christian citizens are honored as Righteous Gentilesat Israel's Vad Yashem. (This does not include the many that cannot beformally documented.) "Every Polish Jew who survived in occupied Poland,"notes Eva Hoffman, "(rather than in the Soviet Union), did so with the help of individual Poles and of organizations set up for the purpose of aiding Jews. This was help offered at enormous risk, since sheltering Jews carried with it the penalty of death.""

    You just can't take the truth.

    I'm not going to waste my time responding to any more trolls. You have publicly proved just how ignorant you really are. Hope you all have a nice day.
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    (Original post by VergeofInsanity)
    Take say Poland for example and the argument from them for their entry into England is 'for a better life'. We are told they make a 'net contribution'.

    So my question is if that is the case with immigrants who are seeking a better life then why are these countries (Poland) etc not importing 400,000 people (net) from say Ethiopia YEAR on YEAR? Or never mind Ethiopia .. how about a poorer and more local country like Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Moldova etc. I mean they are likely to make a positive net contribution also because they will work like dirt to make a living so why do we not see a country like Poland, a country who features in the world's top 25 for GDP, importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants year on year? I'm not talking about small levels of immigrations but taking all the people from the local european countries I mentioned or even Africans?

    What are these countries (Poland) etc doing for others using their argument? That argument being that they go to somewhere for a better life etc etc.

    Because at the end of the day the life of a Moldovan will be better for him in Poland than it is in Moldova.
    You are the smartest man alive! go run for Prime Minister, mate you got it in the bag
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    (Original post by mark36)
    Jan Sobieski didn't fight the Ottoman Empire for Poland to become a Muslim country. http://www.thenagain.info/WebChron/E...ennaSiege.html At the Battle of Vienna he stopped the entire EUROPE from becoming Islamic
    nope. even if Ottomans would like to, they wouldn't be able to conquer whole Europe.
    not to mention that their rule didn't include forceful islamisation (so to speak)- ottomans were pretty tolerant back then.

    (Original post by mark36)
    Have you even read my other post? The country is 95% CATHOLIC.
    no, it's not. 95% are baptized which doesn't make them catholic (or anything else). AFAIK about 14% of society are actually catholics (i.e. they take part in Sunday mass etc)
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    So it's fine for all the poles to come here but they don't want people in their countries. What makes them think the Brits think any different!? Oh the irony
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    (Original post by VergeofInsanity)
    Take say Poland for example and the argument from them for their entry into England is 'for a better life'. We are told they make a 'net contribution'.

    So my question is if that is the case with immigrants who are seeking a better life then why are these countries (Poland) etc not importing 400,000 people (net) from say Ethiopia YEAR on YEAR? Or never mind Ethiopia .. how about a poorer and more local country like Macedonia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Kosovo, Moldova etc. I mean they are likely to make a positive net contribution also because they will work like dirt to make a living so why do we not see a country like Poland, a country who features in the world's top 25 for GDP, importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants year on year? I'm not talking about small levels of immigrations but taking all the people from the local european countries I mentioned or even Africans?

    What are these countries (Poland) etc doing for others using their argument? That argument being that they go to somewhere for a better life etc etc.

    Because at the end of the day the life of a Moldovan will be better for him in Poland than it is in Moldova.
    Mainly because Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Moldova aren't in tbe EU - this is clearly what you were fishing for, why not just say "hello my name is VergeOfInsanity and I think freedom of movement is bad", it wojld have been more honest and taken less time

    Besides nobody comes in from places like Poland any more, it stopped a few years ago and went back to pre 2004 levels presumably because the Eastern countries have now attained a similar level of wealth as us. Small price to pay to stop them falling into Putin's orbit which, aside from a few years of cheap labour to buoy the economy which really should have crashed circa 2004, is why we did it
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Mainly because Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo and Moldova aren't in tbe EU - this is clearly what you were fishing for, why not just say "hello my name is VergeOfInsanity and I think freedom of movement is bad", it wojld have been more honest and taken less time

    Besides nobody comes in from places like Poland any more, it stopped a few years ago and went back to pre 2004 levels presumably because the Eastern countries have now attained a similar level of wealth as us. Small price to pay to stop them falling into Putin's orbit which, aside from a few years of cheap labour to buoy the economy which really should have crashed circa 2004, is why we did it
    So the recent figures of 400,000 net migration ... where did those people come from then? Somalia? regardless it doesn't matter. they have still infiltrated our country in their hundreds of thousands.

    to then kick up a fuss over a few thousand migrants is insulting to be perfectly honest. tells you everything you need to know. UKIP all the way.
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    (Original post by VergeofInsanity)
    So the recent figures of 400,000 net migration ... where did those people come from then? Somalia? regardless it doesn't matter. they have still infiltrated our country in their hundreds of thousands.

    to then kick up a fuss over a few thousand migrants is insulting to be perfectly honest. tells you everything you need to know. UKIP all the way.
    Infiltrated? Are they part of some foreign military or security service?

    You are pretty self-dramatising if you think people are "infiltrating" our country, i.e. organising to come and plunder it or something.

    EU immigrants are the only group out of natives, EU, Commonwealth and non-EU who actually net contribute anyways. The Telegraph says so but I suppose to a whinging Kipper the Telegraph is a socialist paper

    Your comments on my explanation for the expansion and the effects of it in Eastern Europe?

    (Oh wait I forgot, Farage kinda likes Putin)
 
 
 
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