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    The way he is going, it won't be long before this London Met dropout becomes a bigger joke than Miliband.
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    (Original post by Alfissti)
    The way he is going, it won't be long before this London Met dropout becomes a bigger joke than Miliband.
    LOL.

    well no one is a bigger joke then Cameron in any case.

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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Plenty of republican socialists fought the Nazis for Britain. There would have been those who couldn't care less or would have even been supportive of such actions.

    Don;t show disrespect for them by assuming they all held the same politics as you, or using them to promote your own politics.


    That being said this isn't going to go down well...
    Fascists fought for us as well, we could go down the old, we shouldn't promote the political attack on fascists because a few fought for us...........Your point is irrelevant.
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    (Original post by ibzombie96)
    You are confused. I said it was implied by the job title, but even more explicitly stated in the oath to become a member of the Privy Council, which he wants to be. One of the last sentences of the oath, which you have not laid out in full, mentions that a Privy Councillor is a 'faithful and true Servant' to the Queen; if you are going to argue that this doesn't mean you need to sing along to the national anthem, you are simply being obtuse.
    The point of politics and government is to represent the people. When you are arguing about technicalities like "if you want to accept this position, it is implied that you sing a song", then there's a rule there that doesn't add value, it just gets in the way of democracy.

    The rules of government should be about making sure the views of the people are represented in good and effective government. There shouldn't be rules that don't add value and if there are rules that get in the way of that then they should be removed. We have enough of that with EU rules.

    This rule about having to sing a song does not add value to the good governance of the United Kingdom
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    The point of politics and government is to represent the people. When you are arguing about technicalities like "if you want to accept this position, it is implied that you sing a song", then there's a rule there that doesn't add value, it just gets in the way of democracy.

    The rules of government should be about making sure the views of the people are represented in good and effective government. There shouldn't be rules that don't add value and if there are rules that get in the way of that then they should be removed. We have enough of that with EU rules.

    This rule about having to sing a song does not add value to the good governance of the United Kingdom
    And he can do all that outside of the Privy Council. He will still be part of the NSC, and will play an important part in the workings of Parliament whilst being outside of the Privy Council. It's scandalous that he wants to become a Privy Councillor while publicly going against the contract sworn upon initiation. Now that Cameron has set up the NSC, Corbyn needn't be a part of the Privy Council to be able to be present at situations of emergency.

    He is leader of HM Most Loyal Opposition. Whatever you think the situation should be, the fact remains that he must at least show token respect for the monarchy. His effective job may be to represent the people, but his formal job also requires him to stay loyal to the Queen. It's just bad form to ignore this.

    Your post deals with the should, rather than the reality. You may think that we should live in a republic where all power comes from the people, but the fact is that we live in a constitutional monarchy where the Queen retains symbolic power.
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    (Original post by missfats)
    LOL.

    well no one is a bigger joke then Cameron in any case.

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    Why is Cameron more of a 'joke' than Jeremy Corbyn?
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    (Original post by ibzombie96)
    He can be a republican, I really don't care. It's his wanting to join the Privy Council that is wrong. He can call the constitutional monarchic system an authoritarian one all he wants, but he can't then become a member of the Privy Council.

    So you've misunderstood my argument. He can be in politics, that's fine, but he cannot join a group whose job it is to advise the Queen as loyal and true servants.
    Your argument has no validity. You can neither prove nor disprove that loyalty to the Crown implies compulsory singing of the national anthem, but I very much doubt that most sane people beyond the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Torygraph (all owned incidentally by offshored billionaires who apparently don't care enough about their country or feel sufficiently patriotic to pay taxes) would agree that it does.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Your argument has no validity. You can neither prove nor disprove that loyalty to the Crown implies compulsory singing of the national anthem, but I very much doubt that most sane people beyond the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Torygraph (all owned incidentally by offshored billionaires who apparently don't care enough about their country or feel sufficiently patriotic to pay taxes) would agree that it does.
    Is this some joke? Do you actually think refusing to sing the national anthem is in accordance with the oath he will take to be a loyal and true servant to the Queen? Is that your genuine opinion?

    By the way, I don't read any of the publications you listed, but of course it's easier to play the man than the ball, so I'm not surprised.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    I was horrified to read in this morning's paper that the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition refused to sing the National Anthem at the Battle of Britain memorial service.
    This pathetic insult to Her Majesty and the gallant young men who gave their lives for their country shows the shallowness of this clown. He makes Russell Brand look like Gladstone.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...aring-tie.html
    He is anti monarchy- its a choice he does not have to sing it, but i would put a bet on if Cameron did not sing it the media would not crucify him. The royal family may make the country a lot of revenue through tourism, merchandise.etc but I personally am not a fan of them. They think they are more important then they actually are.
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    totally pathetic that this was front page news

    **** the queen
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    (Original post by Errm38)
    He doesn't have to take the Privy Council Oath. He may simply affirm loyalty to the Crown/State.
    Not if he becomes a Privy Councillor, which he wants to.


    If they were truly patriotic, they would have no issue in paying their taxes from revenues generated in the UK?
    Firstly, I don't regularly read these papers, so I'm not sure why I'm being subjected to this questioning. Secondly, they don't need to be patriotic, do they? They simply report things in a way that will sell papers - their readers tend to be monarchists, so that's how they report things. They don't need to be patriots themselves.
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    (Original post by Errm38)
    The position was offered and he can simply choose to affirm instead of taking the oath.
    That removes the religious aspect, not the royal connection.

    All newspapers (left-wing, right-wing) have agendas or else, they wouldn't be in the business of influencing people's views, nor heavily influencing the outcome of UK General Elections.
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    Yeah sure that sounds about right. I'm still unsure as to why you asked me about this.
 
 
 
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