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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Hardly dogma, straight to the point. You bring up poor arguments. Regardless tories HAVE to do the necessary. Just like Corbyn who will eventually fall in line.

    UK is on the decline, we need to cut back. Pay our way in the world. Darwinism brah
    Poor arguments? Humour me then. Knock them down
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    (Original post by ironandbeer2)
    Oh right people on low wages should just be glad to put food on the table I suppose? Christmas cancelled for anyone with a job which doesn't pay enough because the corporations don't want to give them a penny more than they can get away with? Clearly Tories aren't interested in what they preach i.e. work should pay and you should be able to have a nice life while working, a Playstation game is hardly a yacht is it.
    So I should pay extortionate tax, to give money to people who haven't achieved, so they can buy their kids playstation games?

    But hey, with those priorities in life at least we can see why they're poor!
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Poor arguments? Humour me then. Knock them down
    I'm sorry i do not have as much free time as one of your glorified benefit claimants.
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    (Original post by ironandbeer2)
    Well let's take the banking sector for a start - all for a free market to do as they please most of the time yet bailed out by the State? Why? I wish the State WAS abolished you know because it'd show how the private sector can't function without both blaming it for everything then running to it for money. But that will never happen for said reasons.

    The billionaires should pay their taxes. They should pay their staff a livable wage. If they can't do these things, they shouldn't be making a penny of profit from my country and its workers.
    You are aware only three banks were bailed-out? RBS, HBOS and Lloyds.....

    I believe banks should be legally-separated in to retail and investment.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You are right that this Parliament the tories really are going after middle income folk. If they're not careful the cuts are going to start biting a lot of their own voters...
    What makes you say this?
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    (Original post by United1892)
    How exactly? They're are only so many jobs higher up, and we need people to do lower paid jobs. Your complete snobbery is ludicrous and without government help striking would be the only way for them to increase their wages.
    I'm a snob for saying people with common skills should get paid less?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    If a business can't afford to pay its staff a decent wage then quite frankly it shouldn't be in business.
    If an employee isn't paid much, they obviously don't have valuable skills.....

    Would you pay £100,000 for a Ford Fiesta? No? Then why should employers pay more for somebody with basic skills?
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Havent a clue what you were trying to say there- but as I see it, its good to have some poverty because it constantly reminds people of the need to succeed and achieve.
    What is far more important is that the consumer economy remain viable. It used to be that workers would exchange productivity for money, which would fuel consumption. Now machines do the productivity and the bosses keep the money. But they don't use it to consume, they squirrel it away, offshore it, invest it outside the UK. All money that gets sucked out of our economy.

    Do these people have good qualifications then?
    No, because you're right in that what jobs available will be taken by those best qualified. But if everyone becomes better qualified, there are still the same number of jobs. I am really fed up to the back teeth of trying to make you see sense in this matter.

    I will engage further on this point only if you answer clearly the following question: if all unemployed people were educated to the level you deem sufficient, where would the jobs come from?


    Yeah because the Tories are clearly going to get re-elected in 2020 just from the aristocracy alone....
    Well quite, we'll see.

    At least they keep the economy running
    Since neo-liberalism, the Tories have mismanaged the economy worse than Blairite Labour, and both have been worse at it than both parties under the post-war settlement.

    Are you aware of the state the public finances are in at present - even without looking at public services and infrastructure? Osborne is pursuing one target: surplus, and it's taking him by his own admission twice as long as he originally planned. He is sacrificing the entire rest of the economy to hit this ideological target.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    I'm sorry i do not have as much free time as one of your glorified benefit claimants.
    In the time you've spent replying with glib trollish comments you could have engaged your brain and actually thought about the issue
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    In the time you've spent replying with glib trollish comments you could have engaged your brain and actually thought about the issue
    Yes because giving away free money from hard working bright minded individuals is the best thing to do.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Yes because giving away free money from hard working bright minded individuals is the best thing to do.
    It is for the onshore British economy and the consumer economy in particular. Our economy is already too dominated by rentiership and multinationals and we are in decline because of it.

    All you have is emotion and moralising: I have economics.

    If you want to postulate a new kind of economy that moves beyond consumption be my guest but you will have to consider how it's going to be sustainable because giving all our money to rentiers can never be sustainable. Already we have personal debt going up and up and up since neoliberalism
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    It is for the onshore British economy and the consumer economy in particular. Our economy is already too dominated by rentiership and multinationals and we are in decline because of it.

    All you have is emotion and moralising: I have economics.
    I understand the nature of private enterprise and hard work. You are merely whining at other people's hard work.

    Rentier? oh because someone worked hard and invested in an asset. Multinationals bring billions of pounds worth of wealth hence why countries bend over backwards for them. But regardless, Tories will do what is necessary.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    I understand the nature of private enterprise and hard work. You are merely whining at other people's hard work.

    Rentier? oh because someone worked hard and invested in an asset. Multinationals bring billions of pounds worth of wealth hence why countries bend over backwards for them. But regardless, Tories will do what is necessary.
    Priceless. The hard work is more often than not done on the "shopfloors": the staff, the development teams. Most chief executives simply make redundancies (restructures lolz) and happy days. Multinationals tend to take take take more than they give. The poster you quoted is absolutely right.
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    (Original post by ironandbeer2)
    Priceless. The hard work is more often than not done on the "shopfloors": the staff, the development teams. Most chief executives simply make redundancies (restructures lolz) and happy days. Multinationals tend to take take take more than they give. The poster you quoted is absolutely right.
    Corporations are not perfect. But they don't account for the majority of economic activity in the UK.

    It's the entrepreneurs who do the real business. We need many more. We don't need idle scroungers.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Corporations are not perfect. But they don't account for the majority of economic activity in the UK.

    It's the entrepreneurs who do the real business. We need many more. We don't need idle scroungers.
    Haha but that's just it, Tories are there for the multinationals and throw the average entrepreneur a few crums to keep them happy. They don't care about them one iota.
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    (Original post by ironandbeer2)
    Haha but that's just it, Tories are there for the multinationals and throw the average entrepreneur a few crums to keep them happy. They don't care about them one iota.
    I 100% agree. But they do more than Labour will and redistribute taxes towards enterprise not idleness.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Anyone else getting fed-up with lower-class families complaining their free money is being taken away?

    The harsh truth is they should never have been given this money in the first place!

    Oh you want more money? Lets just grab the money machine and print you some more.

    You want more money? Earn it like everyone else! And yes I am aware these people are working, but if you want a payrise YOU do something about it, not rely on others.
    My mum works two jobs and she relies on tax credits. She can't get a pay rise. My dad works, but as he's self employed he has no guaranteed income. As a gardener, there are days where he can't work because it's too wet to do the job. He also gets less work in winter. You can't garden when the grounds covered in snow.

    She does earn her money like everyone else, but because we have quite a large family, it just isn't enough. Before you say "if you can't afford kids don't have them"
    My family had a different financial situation a few years ago when my youngest brother was born. My dad then lost his council job due to cutbacks so he went self employed.

    It wasn't worth my mum going back to work because after childcare and transport she'd be working for £5 a week. So she did a degree. And now she works two jobs for not enough to keep three kids. So we get tax credits. Which we'll lose.

    The minimum wage rise won't help. My mum earns more than £7.20 an hour.

    Not everyone is highly skilled. Cutting tax credits is a harsh and unfair ideologically driven decision. We didn't cause the financial crisis so why should we pay for it?

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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    I 100% agree. But they do more than Labour will and redistribute taxes towards enterprise not idleness.
    Labour under Corbyn wants to invest in infrastructure and the economy so the jobs are there for the 'idle' to actually apply for and do. Blair's Labour threw gifts to the corporates and look where that got us. If socialism for the poor is bad for the country and the poor themselves, then socialism for the rich (i.e. huge corpoations) is doubly bad, surely? The tax credits issue is where the two join - multinationals don't want to make work pay. They want to pay workers as little as possible while having the state top up wages. That is a disgrace and they aren't wealth creators, they are wealth betrayers.
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    (Original post by ironandbeer2)
    Labour under Corbyn wants to invest in infrastructure and the economy so the jobs are there for the 'idle' to actually apply for and do. Blair's Labour threw gifts to the corporates and look where that got us. If socialism for the poor is bad for the country and the poor themselves, then socialism for the rich (i.e. huge corpoations) is doubly bad, surely? The tax credits issue is where the two join - multinationals don't want to make work pay. They want to pay workers as little as possible while having the state top up wages. That is a disgrace and they aren't wealth creators, they are wealth betrayers.
    QE for main street is plausible. My only worry is it won't be implemented correctly and will end up as another bureaucratic nightmare for Labour.

    As you can see from my original post i do not promote multinationals/corporations.
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    Awww Billydisco is crying because he has to give some of his money away like everyone else. Maybe if he worked a little harder he wouldn't have to worry so much about it.

    After all I find people who do have money don't tend to ***** and cry about tax as much. Delusional working class/lower middle class who think they're higher than they are though?

    This gave me a good laugh though. http://youtu.be/TRAKztLhTUA
 
 
 
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