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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Exactly (and I never even mentioned native homesless people?!?! My point was who we are admitting to the country because of the EU).
    I certainly think there's a strong argument to give British people priority with social housing, yes.
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    Maybe because migrant people are usually willing to work and are probably more skilled in comparison to homeless people who cannot take care of themselves even in their native country? Some migrants come to the UK without any knowledge of the language, but still manage to get low skilled/paid jobs and contribute towards something whilst homeless people can't even settle properly in the country where their native language is being spoken!
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    -Freedom of Travel and Work. Being in the EU means British students have the opportunity to study anywhere in the UK. Its okay when British people want to exploit the poor economic situation in countries such as Spain, Greece, Portugal etc. to buy holiday homes out there, who complains about the EU then?
    -Security I'd rather be in the EU than being a lonely, isolated island. The European Trade Warrant would be taken away from us.
    -Single Market. The EU is the UK's biggest trade partner, worth more than £400bn a year
    -Jobs Thousands of jobs would be lost as global companies would relocate to cheaper EU countries
    Couldn't be said any better.
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    (Original post by 0123456543210)
    Couldn't be said any better.
    people are quick to cry about being in the EU but don't actually realise how much it benefits us, plus we pay so little compared to our total GDP
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    -Freedom of Travel and Work. Being in the EU means British students have the opportunity to study anywhere in the UK. Its okay when British people want to exploit the poor economic situation in countries such as Spain, Greece, Portugal etc. to buy holiday homes out there, who complains about the EU then?
    -Security I'd rather be in the EU than being a lonely, isolated island. The European Trade Warrant would be taken away from us.
    -Single Market. The EU is the UK's biggest trade partner, worth more than £400bn a year
    -Jobs Thousands of jobs would be lost as global companies would relocate to cheaper EU countries
    Let me come clean- I tricked you and you fell for it. Let me elaborate:

    You said we have to give to receive. We are giving Eastern EU migrants houses, so what do we receive? All the things you listed, Eastern EU migrant countries also receive.

    I want to know what the UK receives from the EU, which balances-out the fact we are housing 10,000 Eastern EU migrants per year? For example, you cannot say "EU free trade", because Poland gets that too. Therefore, Poland gets the free trade AND it gets its citizens housed in the UK.

    I want to know what the UK receives, not what every EU country receives.

    I also find it hilarious how the EU forces all member states not to discriminate between its own citizens and migrants with regards to social welfare but doesn't enforce all countries to have an equal welfare system. So Britain must give Romanian migrants lots of dosh, but a British person in Romania receives nothing because Romania's welfare system is non-existent. Yeah, thats fair to British people
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Actually homeless people cannot work because they require a bank account to be paid and you cannot have a bank account if you are homeless....

    This is how the Big Issue started.....
    Isn't that basically what I said? I didn't say it's only due to social stigma and discrimination. Technically yes they don't have a bank account so they can't work, but also because most employers wouldn't prefer to employ a homeless person instead of those with more stable financial situation. Therefore they discriminate against poorer people. Two words - poverty trap...
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    Let me come clean- I tricked you and you fell for it. Let me elaborate:

    You said we have to give to receive. We are giving Eastern EU migrants houses, so what do we receive?

    All the things you listed, Eastern EU migrant countries also receive.

    I want to know what the UK receives from the EU, which balances-out the fact we are housing 10,000 Eastern EU migrants per year?

    For example, you cannot say "EU free trade", because Poland gets that too. Therefore, Poland gets the free trade AND it gets its citizens housed in the UK.

    I want to know what the UK gets, not what everybody in EU gets.
    you make so sense and if I came up with something that the UK gets without giving anything, it would be contradicting my original point.
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    you make so sense and if I came up with something that the UK gets without giving anything, it would be contradicting my original point.
    Exactly..... There isn't really anything the UK gets........ the EU is a one-way ticket.

    The EU is like a marriage between a rich and poor person. Only the poor person benefits....
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    Racism. Apparently low skilled, low net worth individuals from Europe are ok.

    But high skilled, net worth individuals from outside are not.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Racism. Apparently low skilled, low net worth individuals from Europe are ok.

    But high skilled, net worth individuals from outside are not.
    Source? This is just your opinion. Where is the evidence?

    You know what truly brings low net worth? People living on nothing but benefits.
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    (Original post by mark36)
    Source? This is just your opinion. Where is the evidence?

    You know what truly brings low net worth? People living on nothing but benefits.
    You just need to look at the ethnic demographics and net worth.

    Indians, Chinese fair way better than anyone else. They are all flocking to the US/Canada now rather than the UK.

    Winners? US/Canada.
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    (Original post by chantalc)
    people are quick to cry about being in the EU but don't actually realise how much it benefits us, plus we pay so little compared to our total GDP
    Should just ignore all the ignorant EDL and BNP supporters, usually all those people who cry about immigrants taking away their jobs are those chavs who live off benefits and who don't seek any way to improve their quality of life. Migrants don't take jobs or housing, it's the lack of education and determination of those people who cry about it that does!
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    (Original post by 0123456543210)
    Should just ignore all the ignorant EDL and BNP supporters, usually all those people who cry about immigrants taking away their jobs are those who live off benefits and who don't seek any way to improve their quality of life. Migrants don't take jobs and housing, it's the lack of education and determination of those people who cry about it that does!
    How can migrants not take housing if 10,000 Eastern EU migrants were given social housing and there are British people on the waiting list for years?
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    How can migrants not take housing if 10,000 Eastern EU migrants were given social housing and there are British people on the waiting list for years?
    Maybe because migrant people are usually willing to work and are probably more skilled in comparison to British people who cannot take care of themselves even in their native country?
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    (Original post by 0123456543210)
    Maybe because migrant people are usually willing to work and are probably more skilled in comparison to British people who cannot take care of themselves even in their native country?
    You said earlier migrants weren't taking social housing:

    (Original post by 0123456543210)
    Migrants don't take jobs or housing
    are you now admitting they are?
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    You just need to look at the ethnic demographics and net worth.

    Indians, Chinese fair way better than anyone else. They are all flocking to the US/Canada now rather than the UK.

    Winners? US/Canada.
    http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml says:

    "Around two-fifths of people from ethnic minorities live in low-income households, twice the rate for White people. Within this, there are big variations by ethnic group. More specifically, the proportion of people who live in low-income households is:
    • 20% for White people.
    • 30% for Indians and Black Caribbeans.
    • 50% for Black Africans.
    • 60% for Pakistanis.
    • 70% for Bangladeshis."
    [*]I'm not going to argue about the Chinese or USA/Canada as I don't have enough information, but how the hell do Indians fare better than everyone else? Relatively to most other minorities - maybe yes, but definitely not than white people, judging from numbers above. Why is no major media talking about the issue of poverty in general, why do they insist on scapegoating EVERYTHING on minorities when they're really not that better off? That's lazy logic to me, you can't just blame everything on immigration.
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    (Original post by billydisco)
    You said earlier migrants weren't taking social housing:



    are you now admitting they are?
    You misunderstood my original point: "Migrants don't take jobs and housing, it's the lack of education and determination of those people who cry about it that does!"

    All I am saying is that most of the brits who didn't get the housing probably didn't deserve it to begin with. Why our government should give housing to its citizens if they are inferior to those coming from the EU?
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    Racism. Apparently low skilled, low net worth individuals from Europe are ok.

    But high skilled, net worth individuals from outside are not.
    I've said the same thing on here before and you're right. The current immigration system is racist because Europeans, regardless of what they bring, are given privilege over Asians, Africans, South Africans etc for literally no reason what so ever other than they're European.

    I'm no UKIP guy by any means but this is why people who say UKIP are racist are absolutely brainless because they're supporting a system which is a lot more racist than UKIP's point-based policy which does not discriminate over where you're from. If you have what we need, you're in. If not, you're not. No privilege for being a European.
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    (Original post by 0123456543210)
    Maybe because migrant people are usually willing to work and are probably more skilled in comparison to British people who cannot take care of themselves even in their native country?
    The point is these migrant people who take social housing aren't looking after themselves either because they're taking social housing! Are you really this dense?
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    (Original post by mark36)
    http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml says:

    "Around two-fifths of people from ethnic minorities live in low-income households, twice the rate for White people. Within this, there are big variations by ethnic group. More specifically, the proportion of people who live in low-income households is:
    • 20% for White people.
    • 30% for Indians and Black Caribbeans.
    • 50% for Black Africans.
    • 60% for Pakistanis.
    • 70% for Bangladeshis."
    [*]I'm not going to argue about the Chinese or USA/Canada as I don't have enough information, but how the hell do Indians fare better than everyone else? Relatively to most other minorities - maybe yes, but definitely not than white people, judging from numbers above. Why is no major media talking about the issue of poverty in general, why do they insist on scapegoating EVERYTHING on minorities when they're really not that better off? That's lazy logic to me, you can't just blame everything on immigration.
    *face palm*. Indians consist of a wide variety of individuals. Let's break it down by religion:

    Median net wealth

    Jewish £422,000
    Sikh £229,000
    Christian £223,000
    Hindu £206,000
    Muslim £42,000
    No religion £138,000

    Anyway enjoy your low skilled, low net worth migration.
 
 
 

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