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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You don't like universal suffrage? Let me guess: only property owners should be able to vote? :rolleyes:

    I am still awaiting a response to my post above calling out your hypocrisy over the big state.

    Someone who apparently doesn't believe people should criticise the government of the day on domestic issues and who opposes universal suffrage ...

    ... purporting to stand up for the individual against the spectre of big-state (and "socialist" of course) totalitarianism!

    You couldn't make it up.
    I believe in monarchical rule which the ancient philosophers rightly recognised as the best form of government while democracy was considered the worst. If you look at history you'll find that democracies always destroy themselves. Its the surest to cripple a society under a mountain of debt and the destruction of real, lawful rule.

    Limited suffrage is better than unlimited suffrage but it isn't perfect because it always becomes universal eventually. Monarchy is much more stable because ideologically it is fundamentally antidemocratic.

    I don't have a problem with people speaking out against the government. I do have a problem with communists taking over institutions and destroying society.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Well he's not a British citizen and shouldn't be here. That's a criminal offence.
    Why shouldn't he be here? Gardonyi is a Hungarian so he is here on freedom of movement. He has not committed any criminal offence as far as the law is concerned, having been arrested during a protest but not charged.

    The deportation under Nexus is of course legitimised by parliament but contrary to the rule of law. What is certain is that no criminal offence has been committed.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    You do realise there aren't any communists left any more and that cultural Marxism is a conspiracy theory term?

    Explain why Mr Godanyi is a communist because he thinks we need more homes built, and why cultural Marxists are the only ones interested in our country following universal suffrage democracy and the rule of law.

    Let the reader decide, I suppose.
    Just because you say it is a conspiracy theory doesn't mean it actually is because the Frankfurt school has clearly had a massive influence in a number of institutions in particular in the tertiary education system. I notice you haven't countered the fact that McCarthy was actually right and that a large number of communists had infiltrated powerful positions in US society.

    I don't know much about this case and I think I'd actually be on his side. They are far more dangerous individuals in positions of power than this guy who seems like an irrelevance.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    I believe in monarchical rule which the ancient philosophers rightly recognised as the best form of government while democracy was considered the worst. If you look at history you'll find that democracies always destroy themselves. Its the surest to cripple a society under a mountain of debt and the destruction of real, lawful rule.

    Limited suffrage is better than unlimited suffrage but it isn't perfect because it always becomes universal eventually. Monarchy is much more stable because ideologically it is fundamentally antidemocratic.
    Well, most would disagree and will think you are a crank, but at least you're being up front about it.

    I don't have a problem with people speaking out against the government. I do have a problem with communists taking over institutions and destroying society.
    Are you able to articulate why Mr Gordanyi is an example of the latter but not the former? I think you're going to have trouble with this one somehow
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    (Original post by JeremyOU)
    it only appears that way because the country used to be practically run by the church.
    now everything is run by the government, but it is no less totalitarian, just fairer and more equal. (unless you are a foreign government hating troublemaker of course...)
    Anyway there are plenty of local politicians, you know, the council (that everyone forgets is elected for some reason).
    That's complete nonsense. You should really study history. There has been a seperation between state and church in the Western tradition going back 1,800 years at least.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Well, most would disagree and will think you are a crank, but at least you're being up front about it.



    Are you able to articulate why Mr Gordanyi is an example of the latter but not the former? I think you're going to have trouble with this one somehow
    I see our situation as similar to that of the late roman empire. Affluence, democracy, feminism and sexual degeneracy leading to collapse and conquest by invaders.

    Its strange you think that I'm the crank when socialism has never been successful in history while monarchy is the most successful form of government that can be found in almost every culture on the planet.

    I don't think he is as you can see in one of my previous posts. Its the commies in the Universities, education system, civil service and NGOs that are the real problem.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    That's complete nonsense. You should really study history. There has been a seperation between state and church in the Western tradition going back 1,800 years at least.
    Yes and during that time the state stole all the power from the church...
    But seriously the church ran everything much like it was the council and most the government, for a long long time, even now the church has a pile of bishops in parliament.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    That doesn't make any sense. Modern "democracies" (which in reality are oligarchies) are more totalitarian than traditional monarchies by almost any measure you can find.
    LMFAO!!!!
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    (Original post by Bupdeeboowah)
    Just waiting for when some Blairite Labour MPs get kicked out of the party by Momentum.
    Quite a few have already left. Good riddance .
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    I see our situation as similar to that of the late roman empire. Affluence, democracy, feminism and sexual degeneracy leading to collapse and conquest by invaders.

    Its strange you think that I'm the crank when socialism has never been successful in history while monarchy is the most successful form of government that can be found in almost every culture on the planet.

    I don't think he is as you can see in one of my previous posts. Its the commies in the Universities, education system, civil service and NGOs that are the real problem.
    Successful by what metric? The vast majority of monarchies are either gone or reduced to figurehead status. The ubiquity of monarchical systems throughout the world's cultures is not on its own an argument in favour of monarchism. Actually, the fact that monarchism is so widespread throughout history and yet only a small fraction of monarchies ever achieved greatness, and an even smaller fraction still remain today kind of points in the other direction. The most powerful countries today abandoned their monarchies long ago, and while I can't say who or what will bring them down in the future - it sure as **** won't be the king of Swaziland.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Why shouldn't he be here? Gardonyi is a Hungarian so he is here on freedom of movement. He has not committed any criminal offence as far as the law is concerned, having been arrested during a protest but not charged.

    The deportation under Nexus is of course legitimised by parliament but contrary to the rule of law. What is certain is that no criminal offence has been committed.
    I'm sure he can continue being a pain in the arse and a drain on society in Hungary then.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    LMFAO!!!!
    Under what form of government have we do we get 50%+ marginal tax rates as compared to tax rates of less than 10%?

    Under what form of government have we become massively indebted?

    Under what form of government do we have enforced state education from a very early age?
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Successful by what metric?
    Financial success would be one metric. Only since the beginning of democracy have we had this massive expansion of credit that has created a society where debt is entirely part of the social system.

    See here for an example:
    http://www.moreright.net/wp-content/...13/10/debt.png

    The government under democracy inevitably grows bigger and bigger becoming more totalitarian as a result. Not only do we have tax rates of 5x times what they were under traditional monarchies but we also have the state using inflationary techniques on a vast scale to buy the votes of the mass man.

    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The vast majority of monarchies are either gone or reduced to figurehead status.
    Yes, this is the age we live in. It won't last however because throughout history we clearly see that democracies never last. They devour themselves through the expansion of the state beyond all reasonable proportions, through socialism and through creating and encouraging a demotic and nihilistic culture.

    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    The ubiquity of monarchical systems throughout the world's cultures is not on its own an argument in favour of monarchism.
    I would agree on that point however I think that the long-term sustainability of monarchies in history as opposed to the unsustainable nature of democracies tells us something about the viability of both forms of government.

    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Actually, the fact that monarchism is so widespread throughout history and yet only a small fraction of monarchies ever achieved greatness, and an even smaller fraction still remain today kind of points in the other direction. The most powerful countries today abandoned their monarchies long ago, and while I can't say who or what will bring them down in the future - it sure as **** won't be the king of Swaziland.
    What is going to take down the democracies of our age is similar to what took down the democracies of the past. Massive debts, feminism and moral and cultural collapse. Followed by an invasion by a people with a culture with more vitality. We already seeing the start of this. It won't be that long before China, a non democratic country, will be the biggest economic power and a close challenger for world leader with the United States.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Financial success would be one metric. Only since the beginning of democracy have we had this massive expansion of credit that has created a society where debt is entirely part of the social system.

    See here for an example:
    http://www.moreright.net/wp-content/...13/10/debt.png

    The government under democracy inevitably grows bigger and bigger becoming more totalitarian as a result. Not only do we have tax rates of 5x times what they were under traditional monarchies but we also have the state using inflationary techniques on a vast scale to buy the votes of the mass man.


    Yes, this is the age we live in. It won't last however because throughout history we clearly see that democracies never last. They devour themselves through the expansion of the state beyond all reasonable proportions, through socialism and through creating and encouraging a demotic and nihilistic culture.


    I would agree on that point however I think that the long-term sustainability of monarchies in history as opposed to the unsustainable nature of democracies tells us something about the viability of both forms of government.


    What is going to take down the democracies of our age is similar to what took down the democracies of the past. Massive debts, feminism and moral and cultural collapse. Followed by an invasion by a people with a culture with more vitality. We already seeing the start of this. It won't be that long before China, a non democratic country, will be the biggest economic power and a close challenger for world leader with the United States.
    I don't look back on history and see the same pattern of democracies collapsing that you do. I guess you're referring to Greece and Rome but aside from being wildly different from today's democracies, both were major civilisations that spanned centuries. I don't see how their collapse proves the failure of democracy but the collapse of the world's monarchies doesn't do the same for monarchism. Also, the role of democracy in the downfall of these civilisations is something you're going to have to expand on if your argument is to have merit.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I'm sure he can continue being a pain in the arse and a drain on society in Hungary then.
    Nevertheless, he has not committed any crime, nor has he breached the terms of his residency. There is no justification for his removal other than the irrational fears and feelz of blowhards like you, and it frightens me that we are becoming so slapdash with the rule of law.

    All the man wants to do is protest against the housing shortage for heaven's sake, it's hardly like he's part of an al-Qaeda sleeper cell.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Nevertheless, he has not committed any crime, nor has he breached the terms of his residency. There is no justification for his removal other than the irrational fears and feelz of blowhards like you, and it frightens me that we are becoming so slapdash with the rule of law.

    All the man wants to do is protest against the housing shortage for heaven's sake, it's hardly like he's part of an al-Qaeda sleeper cell.
    Well he's obviously breached the terms of his residemcy otherwise he'd still be here.
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    so the left's policing of speech laws are backfiring upon them. how funny.
 
 
 
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