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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I can't stand the Putin government, so I'm with you on a lot of that.

    I think some people on the Left are foolish enough to think that Putin's fake post-Soviet 'neo-Sovietism' is some sort of reawakening of old style Communism and so they mistake naked capitalist imperialism in a different flavour for their hankerings for a past Soviet utopia. (That existed for about 5 minutes in the early Bolshevik days and briefly again under Lenin's NEP.)

    The fact that Putin is ex-KGB adds insult to injury. You would think that the old left had learned its lessons from the past, but it really is hard to get some people to face reality. There are even people around who think Maoism is still in charge in China!

    That said, I think a small part of Putin/RT's coverage is worthwhile, if only for the fact that it gives a different view - whatever the motives. For that reason, I regularly skim across the propaganda of CCTV, France TV, RT, CNN, etc, just to get a feel for what they are all saying. Even Vatican news can be interesting. :teehee:

    There's a strand of what RT says about US exceptionalism and their mania for imposing their law everywhere that does ring true, even though RT ignore all the bad things that happen under Putin, they can still be right sometimes. It is offensive the way US courts and government agencies assume their writ runs everywhere. The highly unbalanced US-UK extradition arrangements being a case in point.
    Excellent comment, gemmed. I think there are legitimate criticisms of the United States, the problem is that RT presents them in such an unbalanced and conspiratorial way that any substance the criticism might have had is lost in the hyperbole by which it is surrounded.

    I think RT has had a genuine influence on European socialist views and thus as a propaganda network it has paid its way. You are right on the question of listening to all sources; I sometimes tune into RT, into Deutsche Welle, I read the FT sometimes, the right-wing and the left-wing papers. It's good to have a variety of sources of information, as long as one brings a suitably critical eye to any news outlet
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    (Original post by SignFromDog)
    You keep saying "the left", as if I am referring to all of the left and as if you represent the left. You don't. Hardcore anti-zionism is a far left position. And turning a blind eye to anti-semitism is similarly a far left, not left-wing, position.

    The pride of place held by Gilad Atzmon and Stephen Sizer on the far left, along with the far left's support for Hamas and their rolling out the red carpet for Islamofascists, speaks for itself.



    I can totally imagine you doing a z-snap when you said end of. In fact, it's not the end of. Many people's anti-zionism is motivated by anti-semitism, and a majority of anti-zionists are extremely murky on taking a clear stand on anti-semitism given their willingness to tolerate and welcome anti-semites into their movement.



    I have repeatedly outlined my own criticisms of Israel and made clear that I don't think criticism of Israel is anti-semitic in and of itself. You don't care, you just keep barreling on repeating the same old discredited points irrespective of where the conversation has actually gone.

    I'm sorry but it's clear that not only do you have no interest in having a genuine discussion, but you are either intellectually or emotionally incapable of having a genuine discussion.



    You brought up my positions about the far left in general, and I pointed out my opposition to various positions taken by the far left. And now you whine you don't hold those positions. Don't bring the issue up in the first place if you don't want to discuss it.



    You really are utterly contemptible and a pathetic individual. The other people who said you have emotional problems are right, you clearly have massive issues and I can't unpick them for you. No matter how precisely I outline my position and no matter where the conversation you goes, you always come back to your victimhood mindset and your beloved strawmen, and keep barreling on criticising positions others haven't taken.

    Don't message me again.
    Well well well! Seems you're the one losing it now, going for all sorts of silly personal attacks and trying to psycho-analyse me. What an utter hypocrite you are - but thats just the norm for those on the right mind.

    No my friend, people like you who are so caught up in zionism and Israel that you falsely and repeatedly berate the left for being antisemitic to the point you overlook all, dangerous anti-semitism on the right.
    In fact you end up supporting some dangerously right wing governments and indivudals just because they like Israel.
    And you may say you don't think cricitism of Israel is anti-semitic but that's a fallacy as you do and keep accusing those who criticse Israel of such.

    And you claim to care about progressiveness yet you hold some incredibly islamaphobic views yourself.

    People are like you, with yoru victim mentality and your mindset of 'everybody hates me' are what prevents peace in that region. Not the left.

    About time you grew up and stopped your weird fetish for anti-semitism.

    Cheers.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Well well well! Seems you're the one losing it now, going for all sorts of silly personal attacks and trying to psycho-analyse me. What an utter hypocrite you are - but thats just the norm for those on the right mind.

    No my friend, people like you who are so caught up in zionism and Israel that you falsely and repeatedly berate the left for being antisemitic to the point you overlook all, dangerous anti-semitism on the right.
    In fact you end up supporting some dangerously right wing governments and indivudals just because they like Israel.
    And you may say you don't think cricitism of Israel is anti-semitic but that's a fallacy as you do and keep accusing those who criticse Israel of such.

    And you claim to care about progressiveness yet you hold some incredibly islamaphobic views yourself.

    People are like you, with yoru victim mentality and your mindset of 'everybody hates me' are what prevents peace in that region. Not the left.

    About time you grew up and stopped your weird fetish for anti-semitism.

    Cheers.
    Oh have a day off Blue. They were right about your meltdown
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    (Original post by KimKallstrom)
    Oh have a day off Blue. They were right about your meltdown
    I'm perfectly calm mate cheers.
    Don't bother replying though, I'll just have a look at the Tory website for their current line to cut out the middle man.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You like so many on the right seem to think all Jews have a moral duty to support Israel and you accuse anyone who dares speak out as being anti-Semitic or a self - hating jew.
    to support Israel? Show me please your posts with one, I repeat - one, good word about Israel.
 
 
 
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